Hornets looking to move Hayward attached with a first round pick

[TimmehC]

Hornets aren’t trading both 13 & 15… It’d be one or the other, and they’d prob fight like for it to be 15.

If we're doing Jak + non-guaranteed salary filler(i.e. Langford) to take on Hayward's deal, they might swap both of their picks for 20 + 25. But they definitely won't do it without getting picks in return.

[Chinook]

Hayward is absolutely not a PF. He's a small forward. Might bump to 4 in some sets, but he's a small forward.

No. He's a PF and Zach Collins is a C. We aren't going back to 2010 no matter how much you try to will it into existence. Constantly having to flounder to explain how the Spurs are only playing Johnson there out of desperation despite all the PFs the team has cut or traded over the years has to be exhausting. It's the kind of thinking that makes one want to trade two firsts for Taurean Prince or Stanley Johnson.

If the Spurs are going to get a power-forward, there's an extremely good chance it'll be someone who can play SF on defense to compliment Johnson. That means they're more likely to grab a guy who's 6-7 rather than 6-10.

Apparently I'm obsessed with John Collins or whatever, so me saying that isn't what I want. But even the PFs folks want to draft are like 6-8 and under.

[John B]

Hornets aren’t trading both 13 & 15… It’d be one or the other, and they’d prob fight like for it to be 15.

I don’t know how deep Jordan’s pocket is. But he might not have a lot to say if he wants Bridges back. It’s not like they won’t get Poeltl who they covet. Plus McD is a good target for Melo. Tbh it’s a win/win and CHA unloaded Hayward contract.

[JPB]

No. He's a PF and Zach Collins is a C. We aren't going back to 2010 no matter how much you try to will it into existence. Constantly having to flounder to explain how the Spurs are only playing Johnson there out of desperation despite all the PFs the team has cut or traded over the years has to be exhausting. It's the kind of thinking that makes one want to trade two firsts for Taurean Prince or Stanley Johnson.

If the Spurs are going to get a power-forward, there's an extremely good chance it'll be someone who can play SF on defense to compliment Johnson. That means they're more likely to grab a guy who's 6-7 rather than 6-10.

Apparently I'm obsessed with John Collins or whatever, so me saying that isn't what I want. But even the PFs folks want to draft are like 6-8 and under.

Hayward is listed as SF in all the main stats websites, startning by ESPN, who can eventually play PF , which he is. Not cos he can play PF than he is. Put a real PF on him when you're on defense and you're ed.

[scott]

Or maybe instead of all this mess, we just make an offer to Miles Bridges that CHA can't match because they have Hayward on their books

[hoopdreams11]

Haywood has a 15% trade kicker

[RC_Drunkford]

Hayward for 15 and McDermott sounds like a good deal to me. Spurs would have to make additional moves though. Also there‘s no way I‘m including Poeltl in that deal. The question is do they have other trades in the works? Do they want to make a run at Ayton? Can they move up? What will they do with the 20 and 25 pick? They better be making some trades on draft night with all the options that are out there.

[CGD]

Haywood has a 15% trade kicker

Ouch, thats the deal breaker right there...

[RLT]

Hayward is a PF

What. 😬

[exstatic]

What. ��

Advance your clocks from 2015.

[Dejounte]

Man, you can really tell who has watched a single NBA game recently from the takes in this thread.

[Mr. Body]

You could play a giant koala bear in the 4 slot and that wouldn't make them a PF. LMAO Gordon ain't a PF. He's a SF through and through... when he plays.

[Ice009]

Did Gordon used to play SG in Utah? If so, you could slot him up one to SF, but I don't think he's ever been a PF. If he's a PF, Tim Duncan would be average 40ppg if that is the type of player he was going up against.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Did Gordon used to play SG in Utah? If so, you could slot him up one to SF, but I don't think he's ever been a PF. If he's a PF, Tim Duncan would be average 40ppg if that is the type of player he was going up against.

I don’t know if you’ve watched the Hornets at all recently but their starting forwards were Hayward and Bridges - both 6’6 and both interchanged at 4 a lot.

It’s useless comparing to TD because the game is very different now. Besides, TD was a C for most of his career regardless of what they’d list him as.

[CGD]

Not sure who says no here, but something like this appeals:

CHA: Doug + Derrick White Haul (Richardson + Romeo + 25)
SAS: Hayward + 25 + 2023 FRP

Hornets realize 6M in savings by dumping Romeo immediately plus the difference in Haywards 2022 and 2023 salaries (probably ~10M combined right there). They also get a pick so they don't come away empty handed after having 2 picks this cycle. Spurs in turn (a) keep most of their cap flexibility for this summer; (b) basically turn White into 13th pick; and (c) get a future pick for renting space next summer to eat about ~19M of Hayward's deal.

[RC_Drunkford]

Chinook has also said Keldon is PF when we all know he isn‘t. Nothing new here

[The Truth #6]

Expectations versus weird reality.

[DPG21920]

CHA only does this trade to shed salary. At best it would be McDermott for Hayward and pick 13. If Sa does not have plans for cap space paying Hayward 17M extra than McDermott for the 2 years is the real cost to obtain pick 13.

It needs to be considered if they don’t think they can land a big fish via FA or Trade. Not sure Sa could rehab Hayward enough to dump him but that’s the real cost.

Spurs are paying Doug regardless - so it’s just what Hayward makes above that. If you can dump
Doug for a late first then that’s better. If Doug has negative value this is attractive

[John B]

Whether is just for pick 15 for Hayward or both CHA picks to include Poeltl, Spurs should be all-over this. They can swap 13/15 plus 20/25 to get another lottery pick to pair with Davis, maybe Keegan, Sochan or Duren however crafty they are. And Intrust Spurs conditioning coaches to get the most of Hayward.

[KingKev]

I’d consider 13 and Hayward for McDougal if PATFO felt they have limited other options for our cap spce, which probably is the case. They would have to take McDuckets atleast to soften the cap hit and no if we have to pony up the trade kicker. If Jak was included I need 13 and 15.

Hayward is still a pretty solid player if healthy. Big IF, I know but couple that with vet leadership and he could slide right into the 3 spot in day one. Prefer his minutes at the 4 were limited however.

He also becomes a potential trade chip at the 2024 deadline.

[DPG21920]

Hayward for 15 and McDermott sounds like a good deal to me. Spurs would have to make additional moves though. Also there‘s no way I‘m including Poeltl in that deal. The question is do they have other trades in the works? Do they want to make a run at Ayton? Can they move up? What will they do with the 20 and 25 pick? They better be making some trades on draft night with all the options that are out there.

Zero chance SA takes Hayward and gives Jakob.

[Ice009]

I don’t know if you’ve watched the Hornets at all recently but their starting forwards were Hayward and Bridges - both 6’6 and both interchanged at 4 a lot.

It’s useless comparing to TD because the game is very different now. Besides, TD was a C for most of his career regardless of what they’d list him as.

No, I haven't actually. I am quite surprised if they've been playing him at the PF slot. I just can't picture him there even if he's switching between positions with Bridges. To me, he's a SF at best.

[Chinook]

Did Gordon used to play SG in Utah? If so, you could slot him up one to SF, but I don't think he's ever been a PF. If he's a PF, Tim Duncan would be average 40ppg if that is the type of player he was going up against.

He played SF for Utah, and he was a four almost exclusively in Boston. Folks being weirded out by this is sort of concerning.

[Chinook]

Chinook has also said Keldon is PF when we all know he isn‘t. Nothing new here

Johnson is a PF, but that's not because he's good there. A guy being limited defensively doesn't mean he's playing out of position. Dude's the same height as DeJuan Blair, and before you go off talking about how Blair was heavier, Johnson is around average weight for NBA PFs. Being a short PF doesn't mean you're an SF

[slick'81]

Charlotte was terrible on the defensive glass so hayward would be a perfect fit here