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    Donald Trump's lasting legacy will now be the overturning of Roe v. Wade.

    Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large

    Updated 3:37 PM ET, Sat June 25, 2022



    Nigh on a half-century & that old man rendered it null & void.

    Trump President.
    Not Clinton.




    Roe is dead, Trump put it on-the-spot and killed it. No mistakes this time; he chose wisely, hitting each of the 3 like ringing a bell. Nobody faltered, or, turned him.

    And late your side came hard; first with the leak and then late with the assassination attempt on Kavanaugh.

    Trump did right.

    "Easy to do justice. Hard to do right."

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    It was not one, but multiple SCOTUS (Roe, Casey, plus all the challenges), that interpreted, for 50 years, that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Cons ution provides a fundamental "right to privacy".

    That was indeed the right that sustained the Roe and Casey decisions and made them legal in the first place.

    You asked what right was taken away by this decision of the SCOTUS, that "fundamental right to privacy" was literally taken away from women only when it comes to abortion.
    The current SCOTUS says the 14th doesn't apply, and the 10th Amendment is also part of the cons ution. It wasn't taken away. How does privacy fit into abortion?

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    why would anybody take the bible seriously anyways?
    Why vote for people who do? That's the real question.

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    Exodus 20:13

    13 “You shall not murder."
    Nowhere in the Bible does it say that abortion is murder

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    Nowhere in the Bible does it say that abortion is murder
    Killing a baby is murder, dad.

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    Brandon's fault when prices go up, Brandon's fault when they go down.

    Why do they hate capitalism?

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/05/oil-...ars-mount.html

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    Brandon's fault when prices go up, Brandon's fault when they go down.
    Old "shut it down."

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    But, you know, the SCOTUS is not beyond making mistakes, even if it might take decades to eventually get it rectified.

    Since you're a fan of equal protection, another hit from the 14th amendment, I'm sure you're familiar with Plessy vs Ferguson and "separate but equal", another embarrassment of the SCOTUS that took 30 years to get erased from the books.
    SCOTUS doesn't "make mistakes" or have "accidents", esp not with enabling the criminalizing abortion.

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    SCOTUS doesn't "make mistakes" or have "accidents", esp not with enabling the criminalizing abortion.
    Killing a baby is murder, dad.

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    Source of him admitting he ever voted Republican?
    A 2000 episode of the View where he tells them Clinton is a murderer who killed Vince Foster and then says he doesn't hope the Dems steal the election (2000) and he gushes over Dubya and they show a picture of Norm and Dubs and Norm is legit blushing in the pic. Plenty of vids on YouTube.

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    The current SCOTUS says the 14th doesn't apply, and the 10th Amendment is also part of the cons ution. It wasn't taken away. How does privacy fit into abortion?
    This is the short version of that (stated by the SCOTUS at the time, and sustained by multiple SCOTUS over time, until this one):

    Q: How does the original Roe v. Wade decision in 1973 relate to a cons utional right to privacy?

    A: Although the Fourteenth Amendment does not contain the word “privacy” itself, nor does it appear in the rest of the Cons ution, U.S. courts have long acknowledged an individual’s right to privacy in home and family life. The Supreme Court first recognized a cons utional right to privacy in Griswold v. Connecticut (1965), a landmark decision that centered around the freedom of individuals to use contraception without interference from the government. The Griswold decision acknowledged that the Bill of Rights contained “zones of privacy” from the government within the First, Third, Fourth, and Fifth Amendments. Combined with the Ninth Amendment, which acknowledges the existence of some cons utional rights that are not explicitly mentioned in the Bill of Rights, and the Fourteenth Amendment, which states that the government cannot infringe upon “life, liberty, or property” without the “due process of law,” the Supreme Court declared that there is a cons utional right to privacy within the “penumbra,” or shadow, of these protections. Griswold set a precedent for numerous privacy-related cases over the past six decades, including Roe v. Wade (1973) and Planned Parenthood v. Casey (1992).

    In Roe v. Wade (1973), the Supreme Court held that the Fourteenth Amendment’s Due Process Clause “protects against state action the right to privacy, including a woman’s qualified right to terminate her pregnancy,” and that “though the State cannot override that right, it has legitimate interests in protecting both the pregnant woman’s health and the potentiality of human life.” Striking this balance of interests, Roe v. Wade effectively stopped the enforcement of many state laws that banned abortion before 24 weeks. The Supreme Court later reaffirmed in Planned Parenthood v. Casey that “the fundamental right of privacy protects citizens against governmental intrusion in such intimate family matters” and that a state law would violate the Due Process Clause if it creates an “undue burden” on a pregnant person’s right to choose.


    https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-p...out-roe-v-wade

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    Why vote for people who do? That's the real question.
    Because voting encompasses more than a single-issue? Or it should at least?

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    SCOTUS doesn't "make mistakes" or have "accidents", esp not with enabling the criminalizing abortion.
    Fairly confident this will be seen as another historical black eye on the court in the long run, much like Plessy. Hopefully they also bring down Obergefell and/or Loving shortly, so there's no doubt about it.

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    A 2000 episode of the View where he tells them Clinton is a murderer who killed Vince Foster and then says he doesn't hope the Dems steal the election (2000) and he gushes over Dubya and they show a picture of Norm and Dubs and Norm is legit blushing in the pic. Plenty of vids on YouTube.
    Should be easy for you to find it for me then. Also what is it about being a republican/conservative that you have to go searching through a ing 2000 archive of some random clip lmao. Is it so ing embarrassing to just be like "I'm a Republican or conservative"

    Literally have an easier job of finding the people on the grassy knoll and you do of finding a funny person who willing to just be like "I'm a conservative"

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    Even if Griswold stands, states are likely to ban contraception

    The demise of Roe threatens access to emergency contraception, IUDs and even the birth-control pill.

    the rightwing supermajority on the Supreme Court has created a free-for-all.

    State legislators can disregard medical consensus and redefine pregnancy and abortion according to whim.

    Effective female-controlled methods of birth control could be banned even without overturning
    Griswold.

    Five states already prohibit abortion from conception onward.

    These states have decrees that pregnancy
    begins at the moment of fertilization.

    Half of fertilized eggs fail without birth control. That means unprotected sex dooms more fertilized eggs than any birth control does

    preventing a fertilized egg from implanting is contraception, not abortion.

    Even the notorious Hyde Amendment allows the federal government to
    fund contraceptives that prevent implantation.

    State legislators will probably get away with their capricious redefining of key medical concepts like “pregnancy” and “abortion,”

    because the Supreme Court
    usually defers to their views on socially contested concepts.

    https://www.alternet.org/2022/07/griswold-stands-states-ban-contraception/

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    Should be easy for you to find it for me then. Also what is it about being a republican/conservative that you have to go searching through a ing 2000 archive of some random clip lmao. Is it so ing embarrassing to just be like "I'm a Republican or conservative"

    Literally have an easier job of finding the people on the grassy knoll and you do of finding a funny person who willing to just be like "I'm a conservative"
    Do you need some TP? Looks like you just your pants.

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    Inside an Absolutely Slammed Abortion Clinic in a Blue State

    Almost all abortions are banned in Missouri.

    Just across the border, in Illinois, an abortion clinic is racing to treat as many patients as possible.

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/3adn3w/illinois-hope-abortion-clinic


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    Even if Griswold stands, states are likely to ban contraception

    The demise of Roe threatens access to emergency contraception, IUDs and even the birth-control pill.

    the rightwing supermajority on the Supreme Court has created a free-for-all.

    State legislators can disregard medical consensus and redefine pregnancy and abortion according to whim.

    Effective female-controlled methods of birth control could be banned even without overturning
    Griswold.

    Five states already prohibit abortion from conception onward.

    These states have decrees that pregnancy
    begins at the moment of fertilization.

    Half of fertilized eggs fail without birth control. That means unprotected sex dooms more fertilized eggs than any birth control does

    preventing a fertilized egg from implanting is contraception, not abortion.

    Even the notorious Hyde Amendment allows the federal government to
    fund contraceptives that prevent implantation.

    State legislators will probably get away with their capricious redefining of key medical concepts like “pregnancy” and “abortion,”

    because the Supreme Court
    usually defers to their views on socially contested concepts.

    https://www.alternet.org/2022/07/griswold-stands-states-ban-contraception/
    Yeah I doubt states ban the birth control pill, tbh

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    Yeah I doubt states ban the birth control pill, tbh
    the idea is been proposed

    Catholic hospitals already refuse tubal ligation and other surgical contraception, so that's within reach of the christo fascists.

    Nothing is unthinkable, now that SCOTUS has handed it all to the states.

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    Dems whining about State's rights

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    the idea is been proposed

    Catholic hospitals already refuse tubal ligation and other surgical contraception, so that's within reach of the christo fascists.

    Nothing is unthinkable, now that SCOTUS has handed it all to the states.
    Yeah, I'm not surprised it's been proposed, especially if it's tExiS but that one I just can't see happening

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    Do you need some TP? Looks like you just your pants.
    Dude! No need to go shaqdunkingondudley.gif on him like that! Ease up, big fella.

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    Dems whining about State's rights
    You just lost an individual right. Why are you happy?

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    Dems whining about State's rights
    "mUh DeMoCrAcY!"

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    Dude! No need to go shaqdunkingondudley.gif on him like that! Ease up, big fella.
    Bet you've said that before.

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