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  1. #2951
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    For the rest Rabiot and Griezman are the two BIG pleasant surprises (with to a lesser extent Upamecano) of this WC. Grizou is playing this midfield position for the first time in his career and nobody was expecting anything decent from Rabiot. Both have shut down the detractors mouth.

    I would add another one is Deschamps, it has been a pleasant surprise so far, he is a stubborn m er but he actually changed his system, bet on Grizou more defensive and let 4 players almost 5 with offensive characteristics which has always been against his religion. He also has clearly decided to let Mbappe not defending at all and asking his players to rotate compensating... again very surprising.

  2. #2952
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    not an excuse of anykind... even without Rabiot and Dayot France should win this game, it's just the fact that it does not stop. I just read both should play tho but I guess they won't be 100%.
    Yeah, the WC is a war of attrition, unless you've got some serious depth and/or luck, by the time you get to the finals most players are worn out and/or hurting. That really screwed our chances both in the '90 and '14 finals with Germany, when we were severely diminished physically and also with suspensions.
    For the present time Di María has been battling with a muscular injury since the first round that only allowed him to play a few minutes when the game was on the line vs Netherlands, De Paul is being managed for a similar problem, Lautaro Martinez has an unspecified persistent ankle injury that requires him to undergo periodic infiltrations, Papu Gomez is out with an ankle sprain, and even Messi seemed to be bothered by a hamstring issue in the game against Croatia.
    Hopefully they all recover (though I'll settle for Messi being well enough to play and Di Maria being good for some time at least) and whomever advances from France / Morocco doesn't suffer any major setbacks, and gets to be at a reasonably high degree of fitness so that we get the final we're all expecting.

  3. #2953
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    France has to keep from committing a penalty and they should be fine. That's doomed their past 2 opponents.

    I think France can hold Argentina to 1 goal in open play.
    France has to beat them on the field. A draw favors Argentina. They just don't lose penalty shoot outs.

  4. #2954
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    Poor France, they are lacking so much depth compared to Morocco

  5. #2955
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    Nazi being Nazis. Smdh


  6. #2956
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    Any thoughts?







  7. #2957
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    not an excuse of anykind... even without Rabiot and Dayot France should win this game, it's just the fact that it does not stop. I just read both should play tho but I guess they won't be 100%.
    And also their availability for the final

  8. #2958
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    Has it gone viral on Twitter?

  9. #2959
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    would love to see Morocco pull off the big upset today but not expecting it.

  10. #2960
    El rojo y los Spurs!!! Ariel's Avatar
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    It looks like someone is a little bu.tt hurt in addition to not being particularly smart or knowledgeable.
    The penalties against Saudi Arabia, Netherlands and Croatia are technically correct.
    Saudi Arabia @ 0:18: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spLV1gF0fkI

    Netherlands @ 1:20: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sivI7x0BuFk

    Croatia: already provided evidence in previous post, but in summary it's a blatant penalty: the goalkeeper deliberately extends his leg opposite to the direction of the ball (which he MISSES) in order to put himself in the way of Julian Álvarez's path, preventing him from continuing the play. Some people seem to be trying to apply basketball logic to a football match.


    The only one I do not agree with is the one in the Poland game, which even though it's defensible (the keeper misses the ball and hits Messi in the head) it was a fraction of a second too late to be considered a foul. But that penalty was missed and thus had no bearing on the outcome of the game, so it's a moot point.
    If the Saudis, Dutch or Croats tried to gain unfair advantage and not being punished as a result is beyond our control, the only thing we can do is wait for the ref to do the right thing (which they did) and punish them accordingly within the rules.

    Concerning the match vs Netherlands, Messi arguably should have received a yellow card by the deliberate handball but that would have been his first, anyone saying that since he received another one later on it would have meant he'd be sent off, has trouble grasping that future events are not independent of past ones. When a player is booked he's usually extra cautious, and 20 years worth of evidence suggests he wouldn't have received another one for complaining.

    As for Paredes, he's looking backwards from the ref so as far as he's concerned the ball is in play and he's kicking it out of the court, if he's near the Dutch bench and kicking it out ends with the ball there, there's no rule preventing that. Should Paredes have received a yellow card and be sent off? Maybe, but not before Van Dijk, whose disgraceful assault on Paredes by shoving him to the ground should have been an automatic red card, and you could make a case for several other Dutch players who physically retaliated against the Argentinians.

    Calling Messi's celebration near the Dutch bench "harassment" because of an (inherently subjective) interpretation of what he meant by that gesture is an insult to everyone's intelligence and not any more justifiable than the ref who sent Tim off because he was laughing on the bench. That's bias (and stup!dity) speaking.

    As for the comments after the match were actually very mild in comparison to, say, Uruguay's reaction in the aftermath of the elimination. In fact Modric also made harsh reference to the officiationg yesterday, as did Pepe with Portugal, and neither suffered consequences other than maybe a financial sanction. So I'm not sure what it is you're expecting here.

    Also, there's no mentioned of the ridiculous stoppage time and weak ass foul that forced extra time. Wonder why that is...

    So all in all, that's an incomplete, biased and not very intelligent recollection of events designed to draw a conclusion that is surely the result of some dumb a$$hole being bu.tthurt and unable to make a more coherent case.
    Last edited by Ariel; 12-14-2022 at 01:19 PM.

  11. #2961
    coffee's for closers FrostKing's Avatar
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    would love to see Morocco pull off the big upset today but not expecting it.
    No one wants to see 26% possession in the Finale. France vs Portugal today would be hyped.

  12. #2962
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    Has it gone viral on Twitter?
    I saw a Sidenaldo fan post it and even his fellow Sidenaldo followers were mocking him for the inmense amount of reaching it had to be mustered to come up with such a whine.

  13. #2963
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    1) Crying for the Argie ref is ridiculous. Ever since WC started being played, refs of teams that still remain in the compe ion ref untill the quarterfinals. Also, the game was called perfectly. The crying that Pepe and Fernandes did after that game was pathetic.

    2) Every penalty given to Argentina on this WC was legit, except for the one vs Saudi Arabia, imho. Funny enough, the game that Argentina lost.

    If they wanted to gift Messi penalties, they should have called the clear handball by that Croatian player on yesterday's match, tbh. I still don't know how that blatant handball wasn't call when VAR is in play.

    4) if FIFA really wanted to benefit Messi, they wouldn't have put Lahoz to ref him. A guy that everybody knows isn't in the best of terms with the Argentine player. And, unlike the Portuguese, Argentines have reasons to complain about the ref, when he added 17 minutes in a match that didn't have VAR stoppages, nor any significant stoppages of other kind.

  14. #2964
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    Rabiot and upamecano confirmed out… fml

  15. #2965
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    It looks like someone is a little bu.tt hurt in addition to not being particularly smart or knowledgeable.
    The penalties against Saudi Arabia, Netherlands and Croatia are technically correct.
    Saudi Arabia @ 0:18: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spLV1gF0fkI

    Netherlands @ 1:20: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sivI7x0BuFk

    Croatia: already provided evidence in previous post, but in summary it's a blatant penalty: the goalkeeper deliberately extends his leg opposite to the direction of the ball (which he MISSES) in order to put himself in the way of Julian Álvarez's path, preventing him from continuing the play. Some people seem to be trying to apply basketball logic to a football match.


    The only one I do not agree with is the one in the Poland game, which even though it's defensible (the keeper misses the ball and hits Messi in the head) it was a fraction of a second too late to be considered a foul. But that penalty was missed and thus had no bearing on the outcome of the game, so it's a moot point.
    If the Saudis, Dutch or Croats tried to gain unfair advantage and not being punished as a result is beyond our control, the only thing we can do is wait for the ref to do the right thing (which they did) and punish them accordingly within the rules.

    Concerning the match vs Netherlands, Messi arguably should have received a yellow card by the deliberate handball but that would have been his first, anyone saying that since he received another one later on it would have meant he'd be sent off, has trouble grasping that future events are not independent of past ones. When a player is booked he's usually extra cautious, and 20 years worth of evidence suggests he wouldn't have received another one for complaining.

    As for Paredes, he's looking backwards from the ref so as far as he's concerned the ball is in play and he's kicking it out of the court, if he's near the Dutch bench and kicking it out ends with the ball there, there's no rule preventing that. Should Paredes have received a yellow card and be sent off? Maybe, but not before Van Dijk, whose disgraceful assault on Paredes by shoving him to the ground should have been an automatic red card, and you could make a case for several other Dutch players who physically retaliated against the Argentinians.

    Calling Messi's celebration near the Dutch bench "harassment" because of an (inherently subjective) interpretation of what he meant by that gesture is an insult to everyone's intelligence and not any more justifiable than the ref who sent Tim off because he was laughing on the bench. That's bias (and stup!dity) speaking.

    As for the comments after the match were actually very mild in comparison to, say, Uruguay's reaction in the aftermath of the elimination. In fact Modric also made harsh reference to the officiationg yesterday, as did Pepe with Portugal, and neither suffered consequences other than maybe a financial sanction. So I'm not sure what it is you're expecting here.

    Also, there's no mentioned of the ridiculous stoppage time and weak ass foul that forced extra time. Wonder why that is...

    So all in all, that's an incomplete, biased and not very intelligent recollection of events designed to draw a conclusion that is surely the result of some dumb a$$hole being bu.tthurt and unable to make a more coherent case.
    Also re: the Messi handball, it was called but deemed unintentional even though it clearly was, as a make up call because the ref had let go a clear foul on him seconds before that. That was actually one of the few moments where Lahoz exhibited judgement, not carding Messi for that handball given he had just been knocked down, just like he didn't give VVD any card for decking paredes given that paredes had provoked it when he kicked into their bench...


    It's funny all these casuals/haters making these arguments, just like the NBA playoffs this stuff happens every year.. there's nothing egregious about any of these. If fifa wanted messi to win so badly, you'd think they would have called neuer kneeing Higuaín in the face, or Medel kicking Messi in the chest in the copa América final..

  16. #2966
    coffee's for closers FrostKing's Avatar
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    "Did Morocco sing the French anthem?"


  17. #2967
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    That did not take long lol

  18. #2968
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    Africans

    Africa is the africa of the planet

  19. #2969
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    Holy , that would have been the goal of the tournament

  20. #2970
    coffee's for closers FrostKing's Avatar
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    2nd Half prediction

    Whistling

  21. #2971
    coffee's for closers FrostKing's Avatar
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    It's a little cringy grown adults acting like kids at a sporting event. I respect but cringy. Go bang your wives and let out that aggression.

  22. #2972
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    being "concerned" about mbappe's transparent acting job

    he'll be limping around until the next time he gets a run

  23. #2973
    El rojo y los Spurs!!! Ariel's Avatar
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    Dang, huge respect to Morocco for the way they're playing. Too bad they're not on point, but they've had more than enough chances already.

  24. #2974
    We've got a job to do. Darth_Pelican's Avatar
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    Mfloppe

  25. #2975
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    morocoo's tiki taka play is quite good

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