Shams: J-Rich to the Pelicans

[Spursfanfromafar]

The key for the Spurs is to maximize their chances of winning the lottery. And that means staying within the bottom 3 and retaining that 14% chance. Once they secure that.. they can then bargain their way into getting another high draft pick based on which team is desperate enough to dump assets for cap relief.. during the draft. We shall see in four months' time.

[Mugen]

I love how optimistic you are that pick isn’t top-10 protected.

It's not. It's Top 6 protected.

[Uriel]

Oh, I missed that. Great news!

[slick'81]

Anyone know the entire 2nd round pic count the spurs have amassed ?

[Atl Spur]

The key for the Spurs is to maximize their chances of winning the lottery. And that means staying within the bottom 3 and retaining that 14% chance. Once they secure that.. they can then bargain their way into getting another high draft pick based on which team is desperate enough to dump assets for cap relief.. during the draft. We shall see in four months' time.

[rascal]

it's top six protected. catch up, man.

That pick can end up in the 20s.

[Atl Spur]

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/.amp/dr...re-draft-picks

[Chinook]

People just saw salary ballast rehab his value to get more picks. Graham cost NOP a first to acquire back in the day. He can have value again. I see him being traded either for value or at least as ballast a team likes enough to get back in a salary dump.

[CGD]

how many other teams had the capability of eating those types of contracts though? spurs were kinda uniquely positioned because we a) have the room now, and b) dont really need the room for next 1-2 years anyway

I share this frustration. The thing I will say is that, as a whole, there aren't as many ty deals out there as there were in past year. The cap e (an under appreciated factor this year I think) will make those that are out there (Fournier types) look less bad as well.

[rjv]

That pick can end up in the 20s.

sure it can but i don't see toronto becoming a top ten team by next year.

[Kevin]

A year ago not getting a first for J-Rich would have been pretty disappointing but clearly the market has changed a lot since then. Solid deal for the Spurs in this new market. Collins and McDermott will only fetch second rounders next year unless they are in a larger deal. Times have changed today.

[CGD]

People just saw salary ballast rehab his value to get more picks. Graham cost NOP a first to acquire back in the day. He can have value again. I see him being traded either for value or at least as ballast a team likes enough to get back in a salary dump.

Good point.

I also dont mind having diversity in contract sizes as we do these rebuilds. Having 1-2 on the 10-13M range and 1-2 in the 5-7M range (Birch) is good I think. Having a Simmons would have been difficult to move.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

People just saw salary ballast rehab his value to get more picks. Graham cost NOP a first to acquire back in the day. He can have value again. I see him being traded either for value or at least as ballast a team likes enough to get back in a salary dump.

I agree, especially with his tiny partial guarantee for '24/'25. We'll be talking about the Graham trade this time next year. Let's see how many seconds he will fetch

[timvp]

No comparable trade could happen because it was ONLY SA with space lol…I dont understand not getting to the salary floor at all. There had to be opportunities Spurs passed on and if you arent going to get to floor this year, why murk up your books at all for no reason next year?

I would have much rather just done the Jak trade and kept Richardson if it means still having Doug and now Khem + Graham on the books for 35M next year for no reason. They arent assets at all. You dont, even if you can, put dead money on your books for no reason and the 2nds are not reason enough IMVHO.

Just shows a lack of creativity and feels like they focused so hard on Jak trade they didnt have the capacity to really get creative and do what needed to be done. Is it some disaster? Not at all. Jak trade good enough to where it’s a win. Just more of a symptom of SA leaving a lot of proverbial meat on the bone for no reason.

Salary cap space couldn't net anything of note this year even though they were the only team with cap space. Why, then, continue to horde it? The Spurs will still have plenty of space.

Quick calculation tells me the Spurs will still have like $50+ million in cap space even with Birch and Graham. How much cap space you want them to have, tbh?

Add in all their expirings next year (McDermott, Birch, Collins, etc.) and the Spurs have like $90 million in easily tradeable assets (cap space + expirings).

I get wanting to horde cap space .... but, man, it's not like the Spurs lost a notable amount of flexibility. As I've been saying, the Spurs will still have more cap space than they'll know what to do with until at least the 2024-25 season.

[exstatic]

That pick can end up in the 20s.

It could. You know which picks cannot end up in the 20s? Those 55 second rounders that were traded at the deadline.

[timvp]

I agree, especially with his tiny partial guarantee for '24/'25. We'll be talking about the Graham trade this time next year. Let's see how many seconds he will fetch

Yeah, a year from now, Graham will fetch another three or four second rounders.

[Mr. Body]

Cap space:

Fish, or cut bait.

They opted to cut bait. Means they fish later.

[Seventyniner]

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/.amp/dr...re-draft-picks

Nice resource. That's a lot easier to read than the RealGM version.

It doesn't have the four seconds from the Pelicans yet but I'll check later.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Nice resource. That's a lot easier to read than the RealGM version.

It doesn't have the four seconds from the Pelicans yet but I'll check later.

So many picks to count, I'm starting to feel like an OKC fan, but in the next 7 years the Spurs own 12 FRPs, 2 swaps and 18 SRPs.

[Chucho]

YAY! We got a sack of worthless 2nd rounders!!! WIN ALL DAY!!

[exstatic]

Nice resource. That's a lot easier to read than the RealGM version.

It doesn't have the four seconds from the Pelicans yet but I'll check later.

Actually, it’s crap,as it only shows the first year protections, and doesn’t show how many cracks we get at the pick, and the loosening of the protections. It’s also not real world, because our three draft cycles for the Chicago pick may not start until 2026 if Chicago jumps into the top 4, keeps their pick, and conveys toOrlando in2024.

[Atl Spur]

It could. You know which picks cannot end up in the 20s? Those 55 second rounders that were traded at the deadline.

If batched properly…… they might!

[spurraider21]

A year ago not getting a first for J-Rich would have been pretty disappointing but clearly the market has changed a lot since then. Solid deal for the Spurs in this new market. Collins and McDermott will only fetch second rounders next year unless they are in a larger deal. Times have changed today.

i thought if we could get a first for thad last year it was pretty reasonable to get a comparable pick for richardson. richardson right now is better than young, anyway

[CGD]

Cap space:

Fish, or cut bait.

They opted to cut bait. Means they fish later.

Well there is also the ability to use the space around draft time so that something to keep in mind.

[spurraider21]

i always liked this resource to look at all the future pick movement. hasnt updated today yet following the richardson trade

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/dr...rafts/detailed