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to help him get over of himself
I only saw him play in the tournament and per reports he was injured- but I do wonder if he's not far from his max. I'm more for a swing for the fences at this level
Ben Simmons/Rondo comp for Amen?
I will say I don’t know that Amen is anywhere close to the natural PG that Simmons/Rondo were. He has good vision and handle etc..but not quite sure I would say he’s a legit pure natural PG.
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Really interesting clips posted by surely unbiased Overtime Mikey
In other news, Ben Simmons is the new Larry Bird:
nenad, Batum, Jared Dudley…
They wanted Gobert too, but Utah picked him right under their nose.
Thanks timvp! Will be interesting seeing how things shake out, especially the ping-pong balls. I doubt Miller is as 'impossible to keep,' as said here. The Primo comparison doesn't seem like it should matter much.
I am becoming increasing comfortable with a Thompson as the pick (assuming we aren’t picking 1 of course) based on the same logic of why I don’t spend time lamenting picking Primo over Sengun.
Primary to any other needs the Spurs have is the need for a star. We can’t have a team built completely of role players. For whatever reason, the Spurs saw that in Primo and that’s what led them to draft him. I’m fine with that, because I think Sengun is just yet another role player (albeit a nice one).
After Wemby, I don’t know who out of Scoot, the Thompson, Miller or Whitmore will be a star - but that group seems to be where the most likely possibilities live. Of course someone may get picked 15th and become a future MVP, but Spurs fans will spontaneously combust if we draft someone projected to go 15th with the 3rd pick.
So we have the 5 players mentioned above as our most likely potential future stars (anyone missing?), I’ll let the Spurs do the work of ranking them, since they’ve proven time and time again they’re good at this sort of thing. If it happens to be a Thompson, then we’ll role with it.
This just came up on my Google.
https://www.sacurrent.com/arts/san-a...media=AMP+HTML
Has to be the dumbest thing I've read in a minute.
This part shouldnt even matter. The Spurs shouldnt factor in what their wishy washy fans think where prospects should be drafted in their decision-making. And they historically havent. If they feel confident about a prospect becoming a future MVP, go for it. The fans will forget after 20 games or one season, however long it takes for that player to show it.
The same fans would have passed on Nikola Jokic, Giannis, Kawhi, and whoever. It’s ridiculous. You gotta make bold decisions to prevent guys like that from slipping past you.
I agree, and I certainly doubt that the Spurs FO reads Spurs talk… but I don’t see them taking someone that is generally regarded as a pick in the teens as #3. Maybe at #7 though… Anyway, not the most important point and yeah, the Spurs FO should definitely do what their process tells them, not fans.
I also think that the Spurs would certainly be smart enough to know that if the guy they really want is someone who will go 10 picks later, than they can trade down - even if they sell relatively low, in order to get that player instead. At the same time, you can’t always find a trade partner.
But yeah, your point taken.
It’s a reference to a bleacher report story. Nothing to see. Move along.
RE: 10 picks later
Since I don’t think they have premonition, even that in itself is a big risk. Who is to say one of those 9 teams won’t take that player before the 10th team they could possibly have be a trade partner with? Then you just lost a future star because you’re concerned about getting some value. Again, a concept I just hugely disagree with.
Exactly.
Would we have gotten Dougie McDermott long term at 14 a year?
Patty Mills for fiddy bidding against no one?
Paid off LMA to play for the Nyets?
Signed Brent Forms not once but twice?
We could go on.
Obviously lets leave it up to CIA Pop and the modern FO.
tell me, what do you even like about this organization if you disapprove so much of the decisions they make that you can’t bring yourself to trust any moves they make in the future? What makes any of this pleasant for you? Genuinely curious.
Agreed. The only way I see the Spurs trading Sochan to the Mavs is if it's part of a Doncic package. And even then I put the odds on it happening at somewhere around half a percent.
We’re in agreement here probably more than you think. This was exactly my thoughts when they took Primo and everyone talked about how we could have got him later. Well, we weren’t picking later. If he was the highest guy on the board, then you take him if you don’t want to run the risk because they team behind you might have him.
But when you’re picking 3 (in this hypothetical) the stakes are higher and most GMs don’t have the balls to take a guy generally ranked 15th, because unless it does work out, that is getting you fired. Is that the way they should look at it? Probably not, but I’ve heard this talked about about NFL scouts (from former NFL scouts on various podcasts) - there is a lot of fear and hesitation that goes into standing up for your guy against “conventional wisdom” - because if you it up and your bold pick fizzles out while the consensus guy goes on to do exactly what everyone thought he would do… your ass is getting fired.
This becomes less of an issue and Pick 11 than it does at pick 2 or 3. And Maybe Brian Wright has enough security to where he can make a bold move like that. But I think largely this is why teams (incorrectly, it might be added) pay attention to outside opinions, mocks, the “consensus”.
In this draft, I’m not sure we have too much to worry about unless we drop all the way to 7. Like I said, in any event I’m going to be trusting the Spurs way more than anything I read up til then anyway.
1. Timmy Duncan. The old FO moves including GNob, Parker, GOAT playoff role player Robert Horry and more.
2, That's a goalpost move by you. Never said i did not trust any moves the post Duncan PATFO has made. During the Duncan era many superb moves were made. Robert Horry off the bench, Stevie Kerr as a low paid sub. Man From Nazr in what should have been a return to Tall Balls and a 2006 Championship.
However they've made plenty of major screw ups esp since Duncs retired that even average SpurFan on SpursTalk would have easily said avoid.
3. I knew in my heart 2014 was the last Championship for at least 10 years. Knew Popped would not retire as promised when Duncan did. Knew Porker would try to to keep it going as "his" team and fail.
Kwa Leonard as the new leader was beautiful for a year and a pleasant surprise. Until it all got Zaza'd.
4. It's not pleasant, but because i have completely adjusted my expectation level the disappointment is tolerable.
4a. I make a sizeable income selling products to Pop Sniffers.
5. I will do a poll and i am genuinely curious, i will not be trolling. Coming up soon.
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Don't, won't use Google.
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Giannis was taken at 15, he was much less of a gamble than Primo at 11. At least he had genuine size and athleticism and his perceived potential was enough for Masai Ujiri (same guy who drafted Siakam at the late first, OG Anunoby in the 20s, picked up undrafted Van Vleet, took Scottie Barnes over Suggs, etc.) to try everything he could to move up to get him but couldn't. Kawhi was projected to be taken higher than he was, taking him at 15 wasn't bold. Most fans would have passed on Jokic, sure... as did PATFO. Point being, great picks are not usually guys that are boldly taken ahead of where they were projected, but guys that slip for some stupid reason and someone takes advantage of that (like Dejounte, Keldon or Malaki for us). Reaching for someone is hardly a guarantee of success, and being bold is more often than not a euphemism for stupidity.
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This isn’t what I was saying at all. Giannis being taken at 15 IS the problem because 14 other teams passed on him. He should have went first. Same thing for Kawhi. Same thing for Jokic. If any team saw even an ounce of what they would become now, those teams should have ignored projections and just drafted them. You’re simplifying it with the, “guys that slip for some stupid reason” comment. You know exactly why. Any team that would have taken those three guys (and a bunch of other guys in history who turned out as great players) much earlier would have made the right pick with boldness. It’s not about being picked as late as they were and applauding the team that drafted them that late. That’s the opposite of what I’m saying.
Imagine a world where Giannis was drafted 1-4 in his draft over Anthony Bennet, Oladipo, Porter, and Zeller… Imagine the initial outrage by Cleveland fans… but they would have made every bit the right choice for what he eventually becomes.
Now, let’s take it a step further and pretend it’s 2013 and it’s actually the Spurs drafting 3rd in that draft. You hear about this Giannis kid getting buzz about getting picked around mid-lottery. The Spurs MAYBE have a trade partner at 16th. Ok, draft night comes! The team with the 16th pick has accepted our deal and we’re for sure picking Giannis with it. With the 15th pick, the Bucks pick…. Giannis! Aw ! Now we lost our guy and as a result of overthinking, we lost a future champion and Hall of Famer who we should have picked with the 3rd pick anyway because we were trying to be opportunists.
If you ask me what’s stupid, it’s drafting Bennet, Oladipo, Porter, and Zeller in the top four (and if you feel Oladipo turned out okay, we can say Alex Len or Nerlens Noel) all because they did good in college all year long and had the mock draft hype going into draft night. There’s going to be four such players in THIS draft with the same reputation that people are having hype over that will end up the same way. Four guys in the lottery right now who never had hope to meet their projected ceiling by fans and scouts. Yet, there are guys projected way later, like Gobert, who became 10x the player those four became and should have definitely been the pick instead.
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The Spurs will have plenty of time to figure things out if they’re sitting at 2 or 3. At 2, I think they still probably go with Scoot.
But teams will be lining up to trade up to 2 or 3 if they miss out, and they’ll evaluate if they can trade down to a spot where they can take one of the Thompsons and bring back assets.
Agree there is zero chance Miller plays for this team. But if the Spurs are at 3 (heck some put him at 2), it would be foolish not to create a bidding war.
If you can turn the third pick into one of the Thompsons plus another young player you like (possibly take on some salary trash) or future pick swaps (plural not singular), or a future first, the opportunity will be there over simply over drafting.
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