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Smartest person in the room tbh
If you look at every single draft in NBA history, there were plenty of players people were wrong about. Even the best scouts and analysts can't be sure.
Last four MVP awards were won by 15th and 41st pick.
So yeah, except for Wembanyama who's a huge injury risk, we have no actual clue who's going to be the best player between Scoot, Miller, Thompson brothers and some others like Jarace and Whitmore.
Smartest person in the room tbh
The footage of Coulibaly does look damn interesting, I will say. With so much uncertainty around so many of these players, it makes sense that someone will rise up the boards, and it could easily be him.
Feel like he is a bust. Got worse as things got harder, stopped getting to the rim in traffic as the season went on ending with a shutdown with 5 games left on his season. Felt like he is protecting his stock rather than trying to compete. G-league defenses turned him into a jump shooter and he did not really try to impose his will.
It was one of the first things that really annoyed me about this draft. Just this insane hype. And then you take a look and wonder why we ever listen to these people in the first place.
Media people get arm twisted into hyping kids, because if they don't they lose access to that AAU team or shoe company's other kids. Once you realize that there IS a ton of hype, you can cut through it.
I'd like tho see that exact Sochan quote and its context... Anyway, that's one thing to say you want to prove you should have be taken #1, that's another one to say you def should be with an universal consensus (Wemby) at #1 and it would be "unacceptable" to be drafted #3...
I just don"t feel that guy and I believe spurs don't either. He entirely lives on his hype while everything shows he doesn't deserve it, to such a point they shut his season down not to hurt that hype.
Damn Skippy.
In all seriousness, are you not concerned with his potential *downside* here? I keep hearing about him improving his defensive effort / abilities, his 3 pt shooting, his mid range under NBA tutelage. But in reality how often does that really happen with any significance? It does, but it's the outlier, not the norm.
of course im concerned he wont pan out. but we should be taking swings at star potential
Not to mention his finishing, which seems Lonnie levels of ineffective. It just seems like there's too much to fix. Each area is like a coin flip. So, defense, 3 ball, mid range, finishing. Every time you add another coin flip, you multiply their odds. One area is 1/2, two areas are 1/4, three areas are 1/8, and four areas would be 1/16. It just seems like maybe you draft from the pool that maybe only needs one or two things fixed.
For the record, I think Scoot's ceiling is higher than Bledsoe. But if anyone thinks that's his ceiling, then picking him at #2 is indefensible. I'd rather get Derrick White back than pick someone at 2 hoping he's Bledsoe. So #2 for Derrick, anyone? (joking)
Yeah, me too. I'm pretty confident that's not a quote that could have come out of his mouth in a serious tone. So I'll have to ask for the link as well.
And the NBA will hype Ignite through the roof.
And ESPN wouldn't mind G-League killing off the NCAA, which is a CBS thing.
This is my whole thing with Cam Whitmore. "He has all the tools to be great such and such and such." Or Amen Thompson: "He has the tools to be a lockdown defender."
Then... why aren't they already showing those things? You're selling me a big pile of lumber. That's not a house.
Shooting is one thing. Effort on the defensive end is completely different. Or ability to make even basic passes, in Cams case.
Fox gets to the rim at will and is a much better finisher, while Scoot settles for mid range jumpers most of the time. That's a HUGE difference, you can't live off of that in the NBA unless you're SUPERB at it (DDR / Rip Hamilton like). I'm not Fox's biggest fan overall and I expect Scoot to be significantly better as a playmaker, though. But given his personality, if he doesn't get to the efficiency levels required to be an important piece (let's drop the centerpiece semantics, it leads to confusion) for a winning team, he might not be willing to take a step back to avoid hurting the team, so that's also a consideration.
Of course that's a concern, but he's 18 and the environment he played in wasn't the most conducive to expand his game in that way. Also if he didn't have any weaknesses we'd be talking about a no brainer no. 2 pick.
All in all, given risk / potential, he's still one of the most intriguing prospects at 4+. Not a lock to be a star, but a pretty good bet IMO.
Yup, unrealized potential stays unrealized 99/100, UNLESS you're dealing with gym rats, and even then it's probably not much better than 75/100.
I promised myself that Luka Samanic would be the last time I read more into a player than what was already present OR at least trending. So I'm trying to keep applying that to what I've seen of Scoot. It worked for me with Primo.
It's one of the reasons, along with the level of talent he's doing it against, that I'm increasingly high on Coulibaly.
Excellent point.
Many posters on this board feel like its Wemby or bust and that just isn't the case. He'll be a pretty good player no doubt, and he'll make whatever team lands him better but there are no guarantees, even for a generational talent. In the last 12 years only Andrew Wiggins (traded) and Anthony Davis (traded) who were taken 1st overall have actually won a championship, the rest have come up short. To be honest, those guys were important to winning their championship, but not the main reason. Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green and team hopping LeBron had a lot to do with their #1 pick teammate getting a championship.
Having the #1 pick is great, but its also great to have other players that can do a lot of the heavy lifting as well. If we don't get Wemby, hopefully we get a real good secondary player, which all championship aspiring teams need.
it's also not as if all of the spurs chips are in this one pick; they have a nice stockpile of picks and salary cap space-all ingredients needed for building a contender.
Because they know more than you do.
That's completely misleading, Jokic is a complete outlier. If you go by the MVP historic list they're OVERWHELMINGLY high lottery picks (mostly top 3), with a few low lottery exceptions or borderline (Nash & Giannis). Only 2 MVPs ever were below 15 picks (Jokic & Willis Reed)
https://fadeawayworld.net/nba/nba-mv...raft-positions
The hype guys? Oh, no, honey.
I'll trust what timvp says that the Spurs like Scoot and the Thompson twins over who you think is better.
Buddy, we're talking ESPN hype guys at the beginning of the season.
As for timvp, I don't think anything he said is new or unnatural. The Spurs aren't going to show their interests at this point. I doubt his contacts in the eastern conference have any idea, either.
ST is never wrong. and we're our own contacts. so there!
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