The Point Guard Position

[scott]

I'd rank it as follows . . .

Lock: Wembanyama
Likely: Vassell, Sochan
Possibly: Johnson, Collins, Jones, Branham
Unlikely: Wesley, Bassey, Mamukelashvili, Champagnie, Barlow
No chance: McDermott, Graham, Bates-Diop, Langford, Dieng, Birch




My sense is if they target a PG/combo guard in the late lottery, it'll be Wallace.

I think this is a great way to think about it, but I'd drop Vassell down to Possibly and Collins & Jones down to unlikely. Maybe even Johnson too. 5 years is a long team, especially for a team that isn't very good.

There are exactly 0 players on this team that were on the squad 5 years ago. The only players that were on the 2013-14 team that were on the 2008-09 team were the Big 3 + Bonner.

[JPB]

I remember early last season, people saying that Blake has the highest upside of the three, by the fearless way he plays. But then he got hurt, and Sochan was forced to play PG, and started the shooting with one hand, which unleashed all his confidence and skills. Then Malaki was put in the fire also, and he too started getting better with more minutes.

I still think Blake will be a stud. When Ginobili was a rookie, Pop had headaches with his unorthofox style. Blake is fearless, and he believes he is the best out there. He got that dawg in him. Not like Lonnie who deferred. Blake likes to be the man and not shy about it. He could very well be who Spurs starting PG. I’m excited what he brings next season. Hopefully he has added more muscle weight to absorb contacts finishing. I’m really rooting for this kid.

That's precisely Blake's problem (and why people may oversestimate him), realizing he isn't as good as he thinks he is right now and not forcing trying things that he can't do or just don't work... Having that "dog" in you is good if you actually have the talent to go with, otherwise you're just a scrub trying to be a star. he's just not an NBA player now, on a tanking team maybe but not in a team trying to become relevant...

He has a long way to go and needs to focus on defense first and facilitate things rather than creating since just he just can't finish and maybe never will (he can become mediocre at best). Get some confidence doings the basic, little things while you work on your weaknesses. and maybe realize your ceiling isn't maybe a star but a backup or third string PG, or you won't last long in this league... There's nothing right now that suggests Wesley can become a starter in this league... not even det dawg.

[Guru of Nothing]

well a shooting guard needs to be able to shoot. I think Blake has the potential to be a better playmaker than Dejounte Murray

The Antonio Daniels comparison is strong in my mind.

[rascal]

well a shooting guard needs to be able to shoot. I think Blake has the potential to be a better playmaker than Dejounte Murray

Blake doesn't look like a pg to me. Looks like a raw, still needs work on finishing at the rim and shooting sg. Has speed and attacks like a shooting guard, Ivey lite.

[TD 21]

I think this is a great way to think about it, but I'd drop Vassell down to Possibly and Collins & Jones down to unlikely. Maybe even Johnson too. 5 years is a long team, especially for a team that isn't very good.

There are exactly 0 players on this team that were on the squad 5 years ago. The only players that were on the 2013-14 team that were on the 2008-09 team were the Big 3 + Bonner.

Fair enough. The odds are definitely against the "possibly" group, but they stand reasonable chances.

My logic with Vassell is his malleability + premium position (wing).

The difference between now and 5 years ago, is this isn't an aging, aimless team anymore and had they not been in the situation they were, I have no doubt White and Poeltl would have been long tenured Spurs.

[rascal]

well a shooting guard needs to be able to shoot. I think Blake has the potential to be a better playmaker than Dejounte Murray

A pg needs to make decisions with the ball and able to setup an offense. Blake doesn't look natural at pg.

[John B]

well a shooting guard needs to be able to shoot. I think Blake has the potential to be a better playmaker than Dejounte Murray

I almost gave up on Murray until adter Demar left. Then finally he clicked. Blake just finished his rookie year. Already his handles and passing were better than Murray on his rookie year, and this is coming from a team without the Big 3 and vets who created structure for Murray.

The thing about Murray was he’s a hardworker, and really tried to get better, similar to Kawhi. I see the same for Blake. I see that dawg in him. So I’m not concern.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I am figuring that we are going to resign Jones and bring in a bevy of developmental types few have heard of. We used to do that a lot in the 00s.

[CGD]

I am figuring that we are going to resign Jones and bring in a bevy of developmental types few have heard of. We used to do that a lot in the 00s.

Yeah, that and extend Devon. It’s probably the prudent thing to do in year 1 of Wemby why they take stock of what they have.

[Mr. Body]

I am figuring that we are going to resign Jones and bring in a bevy of developmental types few have heard of. We used to do that a lot in the 00s.

We really don't have the roster spots for that.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We really don't have the roster spots for that.

I hear you but there is a backup PG spot ready for some churning.

[RC_Drunkford]

A pg needs to make decisions with the ball and able to setup an offense. Blake doesn't look natural at pg.

neither did Dejounte Murray in his rookie season. Kid is 20, he'll need time

[BackHome]

Yeah I am not worried on Blake I love his confidence as long as your not y but to make in this league you got to believe in yourself and your abilities. To me the biggest things that I am looking forward to see him improve on is ability to finish at the rim and just slowing down on offense. On defense he is a dog and as long as he continues that he will not be in Pop's dog house and get playing time

[Mr. Body]

Tbh I think we're collectively overrating Blake a bit being too optimistic. Dude was a 25th pick. Yes, we've done well eventually developing late picks, yes, his at ude send to be completely right for this. I have faith he will be a good player and can have a good career.

But I don't want to depend on Blake Wesley. Not at this point. And depending on him, in any fashion, may be detrimental to his growth.

I am okay with going Jones, Graham, Wesley in the depth chart, with other players carrying playmaking duties here and there.

At some point we need to find real plusses at that position. It would be awesome if Blake is part of that solution, or if Tre becomes a high level starter. But just hanging on their development doesn't seem wise.

[Degoat]

Ever since we got news of the number 1 pick I’ve been thinking of ways the spurs could upgrade the PG position, but like mentioned I think our best option is to roll with what we have tbh. Tre Jones was very solid this year in year 3 getting consistent minutes. Devonte Graham is a shooter who can get hot at any game, and lastly Blake Wesley… I thought he was trash last year, I won’t lie lol but he missed a big chunk because of his meniscus tear and whenever I was watching clips today he has it! Just gotta be patient with him I’m confident he’ll look completely different this year.

[rascal]

The best option is to try to make a trade to upgrade the current roster. PG from the draft with the upside to be the future starter or a physical center or an athletic scoring wing, are needs for the current roster.

pg is a position that needs an upgrade and I'm sure the Spurs have that as the number one priority this off season.


Getting lucky to land Wemby has clouded the perception of Spurstalk with optimism that the Spurs can just go with the team they had last year with only adding Wemby.

[spurraider21]

Luckily it’s a pretty good draft for point guards who can play D. A few solid options

[Rocalcio]

Yeah, so gazing over the drafts back to 2018, the top guard prospects, or at least the ones who got pulled, are players like:

Jalen Suggs
Killian Hayes
Darius Garland
Jaden Ivey
Tyrese Haliburton
etc.

Those were picks scattered around. Haliburton was a miss by almost every team. Great player, obviously, but you can't expect those misses again. Also, not a good defender. Ivey was an expensive pick, not a good defender. Killian Hayes, good defender, good distributor, awful shooter.

It's rare enough to find prospects that are solid defenders and have good skills on the other side. It's incredibly rare to find, say, two or three of them.

You find an Acevedo type later on, but I don't know if that can be counted on.

I said it before but I really think Hayes could be a good fit. His shoot needs to improve, obviously, but he had several games where he was good on that point, so I believe it's fixable. He's young, good distributor and defender as you mentioned, and cherry of the top, he's french. He won't play much next season with Cunningham coming back, so he's expandable for Detroit and we could get him for a cheap deal.

[benfti]

I would love to see Patty Mills end his career in Silver and Black, if he’s going to sit on the end of the bench, it should be in San Antonio. He’d be great in the locker room with this young team.

[mudyez]

Wow, back to back good takes...I like the Hayes and Mills ideas even while probably not both at the same time.

[Davidicus]

I would love to see Patty Mills end his career in Silver and Black, if he’s going to sit on the end of the bench, it should be in San Antonio. He’d be great in the locker room with this young team.

Here here!

[Rocalcio]

One other thing, the Spurs have it seems, always been looking for the right point guard. Tony Parker was the exception. David Robinson went through a myriad of scrubs manning the point (and I am not forgetting Strickland but he was hardly here). Avery Johnson finally stepped in not so much as a top point guard but a steady hand that knew his role. Then post Tony, we had the Dejounte era and now we are back to trying to figure out who the starting point will be again.

During Robinson’s era I remember we were always weak on the PF position.

[FutureMan]

I would love to see Patty Mills end his career in Silver and Black, if he’s going to sit on the end of the bench, it should be in San Antonio. He’d be great in the locker room with this young team.

Almost every trade scenario I draw up for this off-season has Birch for Mills

[Extra Stout]

During Robinson’s era I remember we were alsways weak on the PF position.

J.R. Reid! Will Perdue!

[mo7888]

Almost every trade scenario I draw up for this off-season has Birch for Mills

Birch and Graham + Charlotte pick for Harris and Patty + a Nets 1st this year makes some sense for both teams.