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    I'm pretty damn high on Amen and I think he'd be worth trading Keldon if he fell. His shot is broken but is it any more broken than Sochan's coming out of Baylor? His out of this world athleticism, playmaking, creative finishing, and defensive potential makes me think his floor is a lot higher than he's getting credit for tbh. If he becomes an okay shooter then we're looking at a top 15 player in the league in 5 years IMO...
    Yea his potential is nuts for sure. His physical gifts are special. Best athlete in the draft at a position of need with a really high ceiling, so if we somehow landed him, I wouldn’t be complaining (especially keeping him away from Houston). I just don’t think the Spurs wanna trade Keldon right now. But who knows, we’ll see what happens. I think Amen is a lock to Houston at #4 and the Spurs won’t have to worry about making that decision anyways tbh.
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    If the Pelicans were willing to trade Zion straight up for the 2nd overall pick, that’s a risk Charlotte would have to seriously consider taking tbh. Doubt it happens, but a healthy* Zion plus LaMelo would be really fun to watch, and would give them 2 cornerstone franchise players. And the Scoot + Melo backcourt doesn’t feel like a great fit. Both are ball-dominant PG’s and neither thrive off-ball. Just a weird fit tbh.

    But relying on Zion to stay healthy is just a horrible gamble at the end of the day. Dude seems lazy with a ty work ethic. He can’t stop eating and ing C-list porn stars. And he’s about to be due big money next year. That’s why it’s unlikely to happen imo.
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    Reports of the Pacers making the 7th pick available for a starting wing....

    That's Keldon + First Rounders territory in case Amen falls tbh. If the Rockets pass on him, I think there's a good chance he's there if the Spurs want to make the move...
    I think Pacers will want OG Anunoby.
    If Masai pulls the trigger on trading OG, I think they'll aim higher than 7. OG, 13 and additional draft capital probably gets you the 3rd pick from the Blazers for example.
    Wow, most top 10 picks are available (2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 10), that should drive their price down somewhat. As for OG Anunoby, he's an expiring contract (technically he's got one more player option year but it's a lock he'll decline, so...) and will be looking for a big payday. I think that may be a problem for Indiana, being a small market with limited options in free agency, and they could actually value Keldon's youth, offensive upside and contract. All in all, I think the Spurs could very well surprise us and land another top 10 pick if they really want it.
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    Damn, on The Ringer Woj said he's not going to be announcing the picks on Twitter anymore, so we don't get to see who the Spurs pick until after the commercial.
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    Damn, on The Ringer Woj said he's not going to be announcing the picks on Twitter anymore, so we don't get to see who the Spurs pick until after the commercial.
    That race to call the pick a few minutes in advance via twitter was garbage anyway, didn't provide any value to the transmission, actually it detracted from it. Glad he won't be doing it, but Shams will surely do it regardless for anyone who's interested in it. I prefer not to know until it's called.
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    I'm far more interested in what Woj will know about pending trades on draft night anyway.
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    If Masai pulls the trigger on trading OG, I think they'll aim higher than 7. OG, 13 and additional draft capital probably gets you the 3rd pick from the Blazers for example.
    This is what the S bag "trade" and Craptors media fanboy propaganda machine have done to the masses.

    There's no precedent for a role player (an injury prone one on an expiring contract, at that) being traded for a 3rd pick that's regarded as even better value than a typical 3rd pick. The Trail Blazers are star hunting.

    If the Pacers want him so badly and don't want to wait a year (he went to school in Indiana and supposedly wants to go back), 7, Hield and a lesser pick should suffice.
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    This is what the S bag "trade" and Craptors media fanboy propaganda machine have done to the masses.

    There's no precedent for a role player (an injury prone one on an expiring contract, at that) being traded for a 3rd pick that's regarded as even better value than a typical 3rd pick. The Trail Blazers are star hunting.

    If the Pacers want him so badly and don't want to wait a year (he went to school in Indiana and supposedly wants to go back), 7, Hield and a lesser pick should suffice.
    Masai has an eye for talent, but Toronto's doom has been their overvalued perception of their players, they should have traded most of them (Van Vleet, Gary Trent Jr, OG, maybe Siakam as well) at least a year ago and they'd be in a much better position right now.
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    Are we saying Pelton has Podz over wemby? Lol
    The model has Podz over Wemby. Pelton's rankings then merge a stats model with the top 100 to get his rankings, has Wemby #1 and Podz #9.

    All models are going to be wrong - Hard to adjust for changing compe ion levels in a year, or play styles, or knowing whether a players 3pt shooting is accurate or a rough / bumper year (i.e., How would you judge Keldon's 3pt shooting from 2021/22 vs 22/23). Also, models know outcomes - sometimes a player wins with craft (Podz), sometimes tools (Whitmore). Scouts can judge how a player got to outcomes, guessing that tools are locked in place, and feel is a key component, but if your tools are average you probably have a ceiling.

    The scouting ranks being added in kind of adjust for that.
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    Masai has an eye for talent, but Toronto's doom has been their overvalued perception of their players, they should have traded most of them (Van Vleet, Gary Trent Jr, OG, maybe Siakam as well) at least a year ago and they'd be in a much better position right now.
    All media narrative that conveniently went into effect post S bag "trade".

    He "didn't see it" with Lowry and traded him to the Knicks, only to have Dolan block the agreed to trade because of the Bargnani disaster. He lucked into Anunoby inexplicably falling to 23 because of a torn ACL and Van Cheat preferring to be undrafted than picked in the 2nd round, as well as him and Siakam becoming the players they've become. Don't tell me for a second any executive predicts things like that.

    Since their luck has turned (other than the league gifting them overrated Barnes), he's gotten exposed the same way all the others do.
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    draft night will be crazy. We'll see a lot of big trades that night
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    Is anyone going to the draft?
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    We were supposed to get a bunch of trades last year and nothing panned out. We’ll see.
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    We were supposed to get a bunch of trades last year and nothing panned out. We’ll see.
    We go thru this every year, eventually the rumors will be true right? Lol also nobody and I mean nobody expected the spurs to use all 3 first round picks and they did last draft
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    Sports media drums up clicks and attention by talking about trades. If there is a year with some trades, this is it.
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    We go thru this every year, eventually the rumors will be true right? Lol also nobody and I mean nobody expected the spurs to use all 3 first round picks and they did last draft

    I thought they would simply cause if the rebuild, and they’d need young bodies.

    They have a crap load of picks this year and should trade into the lottery area. There’s no excuse not to go for a guy like Bufkin.
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    A year ago we were wondering if the Spurs gave a promise to Caleb Houstan.
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    A year ago we were wondering if the Spurs gave a promise to Caleb Houstan.
    Lol— important perspective
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    A year ago we were wondering if the Spurs gave a promise to Caleb Houstan.
    and some reports indicated Mark Williams could be our pick at no. 9, people were clamoring for Lavine and arguing against the tank for the entertainment value of the play in, all while eagerly waiting for the much anticipated growth spurt from the "future face of the franchise".
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    and some reports indicated Mark Williams could be our pick at no. 9, people were clamoring for Lavine and arguing against the tank for the entertainment value of the play in, all while eagerly waiting for the much anticipated growth spurt from the "future face of the franchise".
    Just to throw some wood on the fire… if Lavine could stay healthy, I think he’d be a great second star with Wemby.
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    A year ago we were wondering if the Spurs gave a promise to Caleb Houstan.
    I remember Wright's apple watch showing a text from Ousmanne Dieng's agent being a big deal
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    draft night will be crazy. We'll see a lot of big trades that night
    Not necessarily. Lot of noise and teasing with teams trying to test the market but utimately there probalby won't be that many moves since it's hard to find deals in draft days where both parts feel they're having their lunch. Plus the risk of being that team who passed on a future big star... it's evey year like that.

    If I'm CHA by the way, I stay as far away as Zion as I can... Could also be NO just putting some pressure on Zion with all that inside (no relationship with the organizations and his teammates)...
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    Not necessarily. Lot of noise and teasing with teams trying to test the market but utimately there probalby won't be that many moves since it's hard to find deals in draft days where both parts feel they're having their lunch. Plus the risk of being that team who passed on a future big star... it's evey year like that.

    If I'm CHA by the way, I stay as far away as Zion as I can... Could also be NO just putting some pressure on Zion with all that inside (no relationship with the organizations and his teammates)...
    The one plus is that he’s missed enough weight goals so that his last year is now non guaranteed. That’s $44M CHA will not be on the hook for. If he continues down this path, the next year that becomes unguaranteed is $41M.
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