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Someone here said we "have the worst roster in the league"
now, with the arrival of the Prince of Heaven > Victor, ...that is no longer the case
hmmmmmm
If Victor is resting
then Mamu, Sochan, Keldon and even Branham can take over the offense
Someone here said we "have the worst roster in the league"
now, with the arrival of the Prince of Heaven > Victor, ...that is no longer the case
hmmmmmm
COUNTER-INTUITIVE STARTING LINE-UP!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mamu as Point Center
Victor and Sochan as Point Forwards
Keldon and Vassell as Wings
>>>>>> Point-guard less lineup,. hahahahaha
i wonder if this could work, for example, in stretches in the 3rd quarter
omgggggggggggggggggggggg
With Vassell , Sochan and Keldon applying the pressure defense,
what the ???????????????
Wemby and Mamu can take care of the interior defense, lol
I'm gonna wait the SL, Summer market and summer camp before having an idea of next season's roster. but I really don't think they'll start it with last season's roster.
Champagnie, Barlow, KBD, Langford, Birch, Dieng and even Bassey are all players who may not be there next year. I really don't see the spurs not trying to add a couple experienced and traveled NBA players to this team around Wemby...That tanking year was exceptional and something really not in spurs DNA, I don't imagine them staying on that road with 2-3 years of semi-tanking, precisely with Wemby in now who has to be put in the best conditions. And a Tre Jones/Devonte Graham/Blake Wesley rotation at PG is honestly kind of scary from that perspective even if other players can be in charge of point duties.
This year (2023-2024) if a team is under the floor by day one this year, their luxury tax payout is reduced by 50 percent. Starting next year (2024-2025), they won't receive the payout at all if they start under. If they start out over but somehow slip under (waiving non-guaranteed salary or trading away salary), they have a certain number of days to get back above the floor. I want to say 30 days, but it might be less. I didn't find that tidbit after Googling for a bit, and I don't think the CBA FAQ is updated yet. For the Spurs, it'd cost millions to not be at or above the floor, so I don't think they'll go into the season without doing that.
San Antonio could clear up to 5 roster slots, 3 active
Assuming you:
1. Don't re-sign anybody
2. Push Cissoko, Barlow and Champagne to our 3 Two-Way contracts
3. Get Khem Birch off the books without adding any new personnel back in return
So if we're assuming Sochan is one of the backup bigs, then it's pretty easy to see how Mamu could be out of the rotation. We heard from Wright that Collins is going to be back, so we know three of the four big-man rotation slots are taken up by him, Sochan and Wemba. We have heard that the Spurs are looking for another center. If that's the case, we should assume they are going to be rotation caliber. While that may not be true, the team is lacking in centers right now, with Mamu, Bassey and Barlow all being on the smaller side. If they don't bring in anyone else, then it's Mamu versus Bassey. I'm not all that high on Bassey, but Mamu struggled at the five. I wouldn't pencil him into that spot at all. If Sochan can play the five, he's probably starting with Wemba, which pushes Collins to the bench. In that scenario, Mamu is competing with McDermott and the backup wings for minutes. He might win, or he might not. The Spurs may well acquire a perimeter player that would push McD to the PF role and thus Mamu out of the rotation.
I know you're very adamant about this, but I don't think people should take Wright's words on the Spurs wanting to see how guys play together to extend to the entire roster from last year. Now that they have a true franchise prospect on their team, their scope has narrowed. They want to see if they need to make big moves like Keldon, Vassell or Sochan, and they want to see how those guys fit together before pulling the trigger. But the end of their roster? Wright, I believe, did speak on them. I recall him saying they were making progress but didn't explicitly say he was expecting to see them all come back or anything like that. The roster will change -- it basically has to. Players a lot of us liked from 2021-2022 or the early part of 2022-2023 were cut or traded as time went on. There's no reason to believe the particular group the Spurs happened to end last season with is going to get some special lock going into this season.
Mamu in particular was cut because he didn't fit into a mature rotation. He's a tweener whose good attributes aren't necessarily useful enough to offset his limitations on a team with real aspirations. Do I think he can do some cool things on offense? Yes. He could make some cool passes to Wemba. Do I think that matters? Not really. I think Mamu has a spot on the team if the price is right and he wants to return. But I think the team is right to try to upgrade that part of their rotation and that he hasn't actually earned any status with the team. For all the hype, the dude was a negative player on the club last year. They'll be okay without him.
Mamu is not a C. He’s would be at his strongest backing up Sochan, who absolutely will start. They both offer great play making from the 4.
I think we signed someone to a 2way right after the draft.
Anyway, why are you trying to clear 5 roster spots? Do you think you can find 5 bottom roster guys who will fit and perform better than our current 5 bottom roster guys? Spurs have pretty clearly said they’re not hunting big game this offseason.
Thanks for the info! Hopefully others will start to understand the Spurs are gonna want/need to spend one way or the other unlike last year.
No, not saying we should actually turn over 5 slots just wanted to look at maximum roster flexibility.
If anything it demonstrates we are actually near full capacity already and indicates limited additional steps though I do feel like some smaller modifications may occur.
Good call on Rice already grabbing 1 Two-Way slot and I think we would already see announced if Cissoko agreed to a Two-Way, right?
I was called a madman when I said we needed a Center with upside on the roster.
That's a long way of agreeing with me that Mamu is part of our big man rotation.
He was at the press conference yesterday, by the way.
Don’t know about Cissoko. You’d think if he was going to be offered a big club contract, they would have gone ahead and grabbed him at 33. Guess we’ll have to wait and see.
Within' reason, height doesn't determine whether someone is a C or not. There's also too much emphasis on that label in general. The more salient questions are, can (insert name) play as the solo big? And if not, what type of big is required alongside?
I'd classify Mamukelashvili as a combo big, that'd ideally be paired with a mobile rim protector who can cross match (aka Wembanyama). The former can defend the stouter interior presence. Sochan can't play C.
Nah, he was cut because the Bucks only had three other bigs and wanted a fourth who was more proven and a true C. He's (Champagnie too) worth a longer look and I like the theoretical fit, but agreed he's overhyped and you probably know as well as I do why that is.
Julian would be signed to a standard contract. He fits what FO is looking for 6'7 220 can shoot, cut and move without the ball. It was a miracle we got this guy from waivers.
out of Barlow, Champagnie, Cissoko and Lord Pump Fake 3 guys will get a 2-way. Either Cissoko gets a full contract or one of Barlow or Champagnie is let go after training camp.
If Cissoko is signed, Tre and Mamu come back that leaves us with 1 roster spot. I assume they will just waive Birch and add 2 vets. That should be about it unless we trade for Kyle Lowry or something, although I think even then we won't ship out any players.
Branham/ Tre/ Wesley
Vassell/ Graham/ Rice
Sochan/ McDermott/ Julian/ Cissoko
Wemby/ Keldon/ Mamu
Collins/ Bassey/ Barlow
looking over my rotation again, I think biggest need is a backup 2. I’m not satisfied with Graham. I think Jordan Clarkson is a vastly better player. He’d be great off the bench for us. I don’t think he’d be too expensive, plus he’s from San Antonio.
Plenty of shooting in the starting lineup for this one. Branham’s bread and butter is the PNR. He might not be a traditional point, but I think he does a good job managing the pace of the game.
Mamu will definitely be back. The fact he was in attendance for Wemby’s presser as a well as at the Draft party speaks to how PATFO feel about him.
It sounds like Sidy will not be signing a Two-Way. Was hoping he would, but that doesn’t appear to be the case. Barlow will definitely be one of the other two-ways along with Sir’Jabari Rice. Guess Champ will be the third, though it should be Sidy.
I’d be surprised if Champagnie isn’t on the roster next season. I assume he will be and I’d be disappointed if he isn’t. He showed he could really shoot the rock and that’s what need around Wemby right now.
As for the starting lineup, as much as I want Sochan to start, might make sense for him to be 6th Man on this roster, at least for awhile. Spurs don’t want to start Wemby at the 5 right away imo. Think the lineup we trot out to start the season is:
5. Zollins
4. Wemby
3. Keldon
2. Vassell
1. Tre
Mamu has issues. He doesn't block shots, he's perhaps a bit slow (although isn't too slow), and I'm not sure about his rebounding. He's not the greatest defender. But his vision is very good for his size, something Pop loves, he works hard and hustles, he can hit from range, and he doesn't foul much. But he's already entering his third year. He may not have a lot of room left to grow.
Champagnie is the luckiest dude on the roster. Went from undrafted to cut by the Sixers to hitting a lot of threes in games of no consequence a few months ago. The Spurs badly need shooting and he's going to get his shot.
I like that but Mamu needs to learn to finish strong at the rim, and better at corralling rebounds.
Who I kinda excited also is Wemby and Sidy together on the court. I know Sidy needs to show a lot to earn minutes, and I hope his hard nose defense will get him some. Because Sidy also has the same high Bball IQ, the same PG skills and passing, rim run pass or take it strong to the basket. French connection baby.
Clarkson could be a good addition, i'm also not a big graham fan. He's a third string PG.
btw i'm still going for Coby White if i want a back up 1-2.
White did not suceed in the league yet but he's a pretty good shooter, can pass . If not expensive he'll be my target at the guard position.
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