2023 NBA Free Agency Thread - June 30 @ 5 pm CDT

[spurraider21]

Lakers have crushed this FA and last trade deadline. They have gone from chasing names to actual team building and it sucks.

Pacers have done a great job and taking calculated gambles while securing their best player long term and having a young exciting roster

Spurs have done a great job but hard not to feel they took foot off gas a bit much…again, I like overall where we are at, but man, this was a disappointing FA so far overall opportunity wise and this is from someone who has been very vocal about SA needing to be patient too. They have been a little TOO patient in some regards unfortunately

You’re not allowed to be mad about our FA because we got a single SRP out of it !

[Mr. Body]

This may be your stupidest, fantasyland view of how things work yet.

Austin Reaves just got paid less than Max Strus and Bruce Brown. The agent’s ONLY job is to get him paid. Agents do this by getting on to phones with GM’s and talk to them about why they should be offering his guy a deal. It is obvious the RFA tag was a major hurdle in teams extending Reaves an offer - the agent’s job was to help those teams get over those reservations and secure the bag for his client. As it’s been reported, Reaves is represented by some clowns who only rep afterthought players. That’s also on him for hiring from the Bargain Bin.

I hope you’re never put in a position of negotiating anything of significance beyond buying a car, because you are obviously clueless about even the most basic of principles.

Bruh, if no team wanted to give Reaves an offer, he wasn't getting an offer. Dunno what to tell you. But I guess you're still in a grieving period?

[exstatic]

F'ing Twitter pulling the plug on free agency... I can't see a damn thing

Poverty social media platform.

[EricB]

An abject failure not offering Reeves a contract.

right up there with the Scola trade.

just ing pathetic

[exstatic]

Can't argue with that

I’d argue with the ability to play until he’s 45.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah, I mean, I'm not a super hard no against Lillard .... but it'd take something like Wemby requesting it and the Spurs not having to give up more than one first rounder.

Last year Lillard was great. The previous year though he was terrible for a lot of the season. He was dealing with an injury that season but if that's a preview of an old Lillard, that was not a pretty sight.

Ultimately, "big, costly mistake" quotient is too high to consider for Lillard. You take on him, you can't make the moves that might pop up later. Opportunity cost.

Doesn't matter -- Lopez was always going to Milwaukee, Reaves was always staying with Lakers (with or without SAS offer), and Lillard is now only going to Miami.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm on the fence on Dame but lean towards no. If I thought the Spurs were going to be contenders with him this year, then yeah I'd be all in for it. But I just don't think thats the case, and I would prefer not to give up Devin in the meantime since he's got a lot of upside. That contract is just murder for a few years down the line, and those will be the years that Wemby is likely to be really taking off.

[rascal]

As much as I hate to admit it....you're right..

Lakers also did well at the trade deadline. They turned that team around fast.

[BatManu20]

Yeah I ing hate the Lakers and watching them easily have the best off-season sucks. All we can hope for is that Denver is healthy and their role players show up in their inevitable playoff matchup. Because the Lakers are clearly the 2nd best team in the West imo.

[mo7888]

Lakers also did well at the trade deadline. They turned that team around fast.

Yep... they're much better when bron isn't playing gm

[spurraider21]

Dame would obviously be exciting (i don’t hate him like Chinook) but i also realize it’s not really a sensible move unless we get out of it only giving up a protected pick or maybe 2 (bulls+hornets)

[BacktoBasics]

ing steal for the Lakers

It’s an appropriate contract. Thank god we didn’t get stupid. Now are you down for a wager since we know where he’s at?

[spurraider21]

Yeah I ing hate the Lakers and watching them easily have the best off-season sucks. All we can hope for is that Denver is healthy and their role players show up in their inevitable playoff matchup. Because the Lakers are clearly the 2nd best team in the West imo.

I think they’re the best in the west tbh. Last years team was put together at the deadline with no chemistry. Denver has only gotten worse and they already had no depth

[exstatic]

Exactly…there’s not enough compensation there to take that on unless POR would give up Sharpe or something like that which they wouldn’t in a rebuild

Having experienced the Lonnie Walker high flying, sweet shooting, yet completely clueless player show, doubt the Spurs are up for a rerun.

[Ariel]

This may be your stupidest, fantasyland view of how things work yet.

Austin Reaves just got paid less than Max Strus and Bruce Brown. The agent’s ONLY job is to get him paid. Agents do this by getting on to phones with GM’s and talk to them about why they should be offering his guy a deal. It is obvious the RFA tag was a major hurdle in teams extending Reaves an offer - the agent’s job was to help those teams get over those reservations and secure the bag for his client. As it’s been reported, Reaves is represented by some clowns who only rep afterthought players. That’s also on him for hiring from the Bargain Bin.

I hope you’re never put in a position of negotiating anything of significance beyond buying a car, because you are obviously clueless about even the most basic of principles.

Say he couldn't have gotten any team to bypass those reservations. Couldn't Reaves have looked for a DIFFERENT kind of deal that provided SOME financial security in the short term while allowing him a larger pay day in the future? I'm thinking the largest allowable (help here?) 2 year contract he could get, with the 2nd year being a player option. He gets paid enough to not play in panic of getting injured, while at the same time he's a FA next year and with the cap ing he can negotiate a large deal as an unrestricted FA.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah I ing hate the Lakers and watching them easily have the best off-season sucks. All we can hope for is that Denver is healthy and their role players show up in their inevitable playoff matchup. Because the Lakers are clearly the 2nd best team in the West imo.

Again -- how is adding Prince and Gabe Vincent the best off-season?

[spurraider21]

No costly mistakes meme means we just roll out more and more expensive versions of the tank roster

[Mr. Body]

Say he couldn't have gotten any team to bypass those reservations. Couldn't Reaves have looked for a DIFFERENT kind of deal that provided SOME financial security in the short term while allowing him a larger pay day in the future? I'm thinking the largest allowable (help here?) 2 year contract he could get, with the 2nd year being a player option. He gets paid enough to not play in panic of getting injured, while at the same time he's a FA next year and with the cap ing he can negotiate a large deal as an unrestricted FA.

He got the very best contract he could get from the only team that was going to offer him.

[Mr. Body]

No costly mistakes meme means we just roll out more and more expensive versions of the tank roster

When you have young players on small contracts, they're going to go up. Every contract generally goes up.

Making costly mistakes means it's harder to get out of the mistake and fix things. We have 0% of those.

This board needs to sit in a quiet, dark room and inhale, exhale, inhale, exhale, hold the breath for thirty seconds, and think of a pretty mountian meadow.

[baseline bum]

, was hoping to get Lopez on a 2 year deal.

[spurraider21]

Again -- how is adding Prince and Gabe Vincent the best off-season?

Prince sucks and doesn’t help much. Their worst move.

Vincent is an upgrade to Shroeder and they need a guard who can score if russell is having his struggles

they kept Reaves cheap. Re-signed russell to an actually reasonable deal (and drafted hood-schifino to develop behind him)

re-signed hachimura. Got jaxon Hayes basically for free. He’s not great but good for that price.

they kept everybody they wanted to from a WCF team and all on reasonable deals. While upgrading the PG position that’s been a weakness for them and keeping them in good cap shape. They don’t have a single bad contract right now

[scott]

Say he couldn't have gotten any team to bypass those reservations. Couldn't Reaves have looked for a DIFFERENT kind of deal that provided SOME financial security in the short term while allowing him a larger pay day in the future? I'm thinking the largest allowable (help here?) 2 year contract he could get, with the 2nd year being a player option. He gets paid enough to not play in panic of getting injured, while at the same time he's a FA next year and with the cap ing he can negotiate a large deal as an unrestricted FA.

Exactly. There were a ton of ways to skin this cat, but Reaves ended up with one of the worst case scenarios. Hence the comment that he needs to fire his agent.

Or, maybe Reaves is just a country bumpkin who doesn’t really care because $50M is still a ton of money. Who knows, but Reaves and his team definitely did not maximize their earning potential with this deal.

[exstatic]

All of those you just named are big markets that players would want to stay in. I'm saying that if Wemby seems that you're not trying to bring in big name talents to play along aside him, I can easily see a team like LA throwing the big lights and stage pitch to him when it's time. He doesn't have the Duncan personality to me. Even though he's very mature for his age, I can see SA not being a big enough stage for him.

He’s not American. He wasn’t raised in a hedonistic culture, or trained in the spoiled rotten prospect AAU system. Once you realize he doesn’t care about that , you also have to realize that he doesn’t have to go anywhere to pair with stars. He will be MJ or LeBron in the sense that they will come to him.

[jesterbobman]

I don't think there's a realistic chance that Lilliard comes here, it's seemed likely to be Miami for months. But...

If you can get him for a really low asset price I think it's worth it. Realistically, he's an elite offensive player, who'd be devastating in a pick and roll with Wemby.

I think the more realistic trade is realising that Herro is the main trade value piece (Ugh...Not a big fan, think he's overrated as ), though Portland has no use in Herro alongside Simons, Scoot and Sharpe other than an asset - So they'd probably try and flip him immediately for a big / wing / draft picks.

Possible to see three team trade with:
Dame to Heat,
Herro to Spurs (or some other team looking for a guard upgrade, please not us)
Rest of Miami assets to Portland, Assets from third team to Portland.

[spurraider21]

When you have young players on small contracts, they're going to go up. Every contract generally goes up.

Making costly mistakes means it's harder to get out of the mistake and fix things. We have 0% of those.

This board needs to sit in a quiet, dark room and inhale, exhale, inhale, exhale, hold the breath for thirty seconds, and think of a pretty mountian meadow.

We endured a year of tanking and laughed along the ride only to get that top pick and add him to the tank roster