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    ST posters acting like drunks at a club right before closing time, dropping their standards and willing to bed any old barfly available.
    "I just gotta stick my in something!"

    "Why??"

    "Because!"

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    ST posters acting like drunks at a club right before closing time, dropping their standards and willing to bed any old barfly available.
    Well said.

    PATFO practically came out and said they were gonna use this season as a let's see who and what works best around/with Wemby.

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    Agreer. If I remembered correctly, they were literally sitting one or more of Keldon, Jeremy, and Devin every game or so that wasn’t a sure Loss. Gotta be a little bit more optimistic that this team is more than it seems.
    Devin and Jeremy also had legitimate injuries. They happen to teams. And many still are able to win more than 22 games and not play historically atrocious defense.

    Keldon was also battling an injury. I recall he supposedly got food poisoning too. That stuff happens. And it will again next season. Now just imagine Wemby spraining a knee or rolling an ankle. Then we have our 22 win team almost to a person again.

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    Well said.

    PATFO practically came out and said they were gonna use this season as a let's see who and what works best around/with Wemby.

    Yes, we all saw that. Tell me again tho how that prevents adding (or even offering, FFS) a couple players from the now open roster spots in fre agency. Ines that help you get to the salary floor and maybe, just maybe make your team better?

    You really can't have a logical response to this that defends their lack of action to even offer a Jeff Green. Or insert other player's name...

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    If they think the tank team was littered with good indispensable players that’s another problem
    If we weren’t tanking we might’ve been le contenders tbh. It was a miracle we managed to only win 22 games with all of this talent.

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    Uh, that might be because you keep saying dumb , and then refusing to elaborate or back it up whatsoever? What else can I tell you if you're a dumbass other than the truth?



    Come at me, boy, I'm still waiting. Also thinking I know who the you are, I haven't been active here for like a year, and you changed your profile pic, my only way of telling users apart. I don't ing know you
    You've been active in here. I've seen that long haired avatar all year.
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    Clearly the front office is running it back with basically the exact same roster as last year’s 22-win team. There are a few possibilities:
    1) They intentionally tanked last year and believe these players are much better than what the record reflected.
    2) They know they don’t have much talent apart from Victor and just plan to build talent over a couple of years through all the draft picks they have ac ulated.
    3) They are worse at player evaluation than message board posters and think their suck-ass players are actually good.

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    Yes, we all saw that. Tell me again tho how that prevents adding (or even offering, FFS) a couple players from the now open roster spots in fre agency. Ines that help you get to the salary floor and maybe, just maybe make your team better?

    You really can't have a logical response to this that defends their lack of action to even offer a Jeff Green. Or insert other player's name...
    Opportunity cost.

    Know what that is?

    It means when you commit to an action, spend a resource, you can't do another action or spend that resource on something else.

    Why do you want Jeff Green? Why do you want Jeff Green when getting Jeff Green means you can't use that money on something else? If you have $8 million outgoing for next year, that's money you can't use on a player you could actually use.

    You just want to send money to spend money. This is stupid and senseless, no offense. The team has said very clearly that they want to see what works and then build from there. You just want to throw players into the mix to make yourself feel better. It's this consumerist wonky mentality that just wants to buy mindlessly without accounting for any consequences.

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    Devin and Jeremy also had legitimate injuries. They happen to teams. And many still are able to win more than 22 games and not play historically atrocious defense.

    Keldon was also battling an injury. I recall he supposedly got food poisoning too. That stuff happens. And it will again next season. Now just imagine Wemby spraining a knee or rolling an ankle. Then we have our 22 win team almost to a person again.
    We would have our 22 win team who are all a year older and hopefully have developed a bit more. Let’s not forget a large number of players seem to improve the most during their first 2-3 years in the league, and our young core is precisely on that age group.

    Also, I’m pretty sure Vassel could have come back earlier if PATFO weren’t being extra super mega cautious (ie, using the injury as an excuse to sit him out more). There was a stretch where it felt like we were sitting players out for paper-cuts and hurt feelings.

    While I admit I really like some of the free agents this year, I don’t think we could have realistically gotten the needle movers (notably Reaves and Lopez). Not sure I’d want FVV at 40M even if it ends up just for 2 years guaranteed with a team option at year 3.

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    ST posters acting like drunks at a club right before closing time, dropping their standards and willing to bed any old barfly available.
    Since you're comparing Jeff Green to a ugly fat guy or gal at the end of the night

    1. Would Jeff Green have made us better? He certainly made Denver better and helped them win a championship. And he's on a steal of a contract with the Rockets now.

    2. Would any other number of players have made the team better? Helped get us to the salary floor?

    Or is your stance merely a reflexive defense of PATFO? You should really consider asking yourself that. I used to be the biggest sniffer on this board and now, well I'm free to critique them and I'm glad I'm off that hype train.

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    Clearly the front office is running it back with basically the exact same roster as last year’s 22-win team. There are a few possibilities:
    1) They intentionally tanked last year and believe these players are much better than what the record reflected.
    2) They know they don’t have much talent apart from Victor and just plan to build talent over a couple of years through all the draft picks they have ac ulated.
    3) They are worse at player evaluation than message board posters and think their suck-ass players are actually good.
    This team has a lot of talent. It just happens to be in the bodies of 19 to 23 year olds.

    This rascal mentality that these players are not improving is mindless. Especially as fans of a team that has developed a number of players from a standstill.

    The pouting and unrealistic angst and pessimism about players who are barely even starting their careers is insufferable.

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    Since you're comparing Jeff Green to a ugly fat guy or gal at the end of the night

    1. Would Jeff Green have made us better? He certainly made Denver better and helped them win a championship. And he's on a steal of a contract with the Rockets now.

    2. Would any other number of players have made the team better? Helped get us to the salary floor?

    Or is your stance merely a reflexive defense of PATFO? You should really consider asking yourself that. I used to be the biggest sniffer on this board and now, well I'm free to critique them and I'm glad I'm off that hype train.
    1. Jeff Green averaged 4ppg in the playoffs. Do you know that he's going to turn 37 before the season starts? You really think that a 37 year old will care about fighting for a play-in spot after winning a ring and getting paid?

    2. That's what we keep asking you. Give us names of all those players. Spurs need a point guard and could use a stretch big. Noone was available. Which PG you think Spurs should've signed?

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    Clearly the front office is running it back with basically the exact same roster as last year’s 22-win team. There are a few possibilities:
    1) They intentionally tanked last year and believe these players are much better than what the record reflected.
    2) They know they don’t have much talent apart from Victor and just plan to build talent over a couple of years through all the draft picks they have ac ulated.
    3) They are worse at player evaluation than message board posters and think their suck-ass players are actually good.
    Do you realize you are a message board poster too? And giving your opinion that the players on the team aren’t any good is a player evaluation in itself?

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    The Spurs missed their opportunity to improve the roster on draft night.

    They either didn't make any offers or made very weak offers no one had any interest in on draft night but if they didn't like who was available in FA then draft night was the time to be assertive and make something happen.

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    Clearly the front office is running it back with basically the exact same roster as last year’s 22-win team. There are a few possibilities:
    1) They intentionally tanked last year and believe these players are much better than what the record reflected.
    2) They know they don’t have much talent apart from Victor and just plan to build talent over a couple of years through all the draft picks they have ac ulated.
    3) They are worse at player evaluation than message board posters and think their suck-ass players are actually good.
    There is some truth to all three.

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    Also, as I saw on twitter, did you know that of the ~180 free agents coming into this year's market, the Spurs evidently offered none a contract.

    Reminder 1:
    we were a 22 win team and 3rd worst team in basketball last year.

    Reminder 2:
    we were the worst defensive basketball team ever (like in the history of the NBA, LOL)

    Reminder 3:
    we literally were millions below the salary floor. And even after resigning all but 1 of our guys, remained UNDER it.

    Reminder 4:
    we had the most salary cap space in the NBA and could have quite easily offered a contract that didn't damage long term cap considerations. See Jeff Greens contract and how he could have helped defensively.

    So with all due respect, your take about seeing people be upset we did NOTHING and being buoyed about being right that we did nothing, is based on nothing but homerism.

    One last point, I saw in your other reply to me I wanted to highlight, that you didn't start supporting the tank until game 1 of this last year. I was supporting tanking going into the year before. In retrospect, I was wrong in chastizing those that had been calling for it sooner, and STILL off by probably two years. So maybe have a bit of humility about our direction, and sit this one out about who is tapped into the proper direction. There's zero reason we should not have tried to improve this team with a FA signing. ZERO.

    Hey but we got a 2nd round pick for absorbing contracts. And got cosmic luck and tapped into our 14% shot at Wembanyama.

    Otherwise, we'd be looking at a 22 win team, a second rounders, and Amen Thompson. Yeah, buddy.
    Which FAs did you want to sign this weekend?

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    Devin and Jeremy also had legitimate injuries. They happen to teams. And many still are able to win more than 22 games and not play historically atrocious defense.

    Keldon was also battling an injury. I recall he supposedly got food poisoning too. That stuff happens. And it will again next season. Now just imagine Wemby spraining a knee or rolling an ankle. Then we have our 22 win team almost to a person again.
    Yep. Didn't watch any of the games. Got it.

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    Yeah, I'm shocked that's your take. Fits nicely with your other takes

    Jeff Green was a key contributor in Denvera's le run.

    BTW, Do you even watch the games?
    Jeff Green is THIRTY SIX ING YEARS OLD!!
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    This team has a lot of talent. It just happens to be in the bodies of 19 to 23 year olds.

    This rascal mentality that these players are not improving is mindless. Especially as fans of a team that has developed a number of players from a standstill.

    The pouting and unrealistic angst and pessimism about players who are barely even starting their careers is insufferable.
    What I actually believe is a combination of (1) and (2). They had the worst defense in history because they purposely implemented a scheme that needs experienced players to execute properly and then hardly practiced it. They were purposely overconservative with injury management to prevent good players from meshing together and getting into a rhythm. They tanked.

    They have a bunch of young players who are still developing and have a chance to break out. They’re going to give those players a chance to do so, at the expense of maximizing wins.

    However, they recognize that this is far from a contending roster unless somebody really beats the odds and breaks out, so they’ve ac ulated a ton of draft capital over the next few years. Their own pick and the Toronto pick next year are likely to be lottery picks. The Chicago and Atlanta picks in 2025 look pretty attractive. The Atlanta swap in ‘26 is really promising.

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    Do you realize you are a message board poster too? And giving your opinion that the players on the team aren’t any good is a player evaluation in itself?
    #3 was sarcastic

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    The Spurs missed their opportunity to improve the roster on draft night.

    They either didn't make any offers or made very weak offers no one had any interest in on draft night but if they didn't like who was available in FA then draft night was the time to be assertive and make something happen.
    ?????

    You're something else, man.

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    The Spurs missed their opportunity to improve the roster on draft night.

    They either didn't make any offers or made very weak offers no one had any interest in on draft night but if they didn't like who was available in FA then draft night was the time to be assertive and make something happen.
    Yeah, we got stuck with that Wemby bum.

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    Which FAs did you want to sign this weekend?
    Apparently, he wants a one night stand with the geriatric Jeff Green.

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    ST posters acting like drunks at a club right before closing time, dropping their standards and willing to bed any old barfly available.
    It's like black Friday with money burning a hole in your pocket.

    ST has zero impulse control.

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    The Spurs missed their opportunity to improve the roster on draft night.

    They either didn't make any offers or made very weak offers no one had any interest in on draft night but if they didn't like who was available in FA then draft night was the time to be assertive and make something happen.

    so you would’ve given up 4-5 first rounders on draft night?

    seems intelligent

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