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    The only reason to want Lillard is if you think he can win you a le.

    The only way you think Lillard can win you a le is if you think the current Spurs are a playoff team.

    If you don't think the latter, don't wish for the former.
    False dichotomy. There's plenty to be said for getting the best talent available to support your projected generational rookie.

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    The first and foremost reason why trading for Dame makes 0 sense rn is Wemby himself. Dude is still an unproven commodity. We don't really know exactly what we have in him atm and exactly how effective he will be out of the gates.

    If Wemby comes outta the gate averaging 25/11/3/3, then yeah... you perhaps look to make a win-now trade in that scenario. But considering that he is only 19, I'd be willing to bet the house that he will not be doing this.

    It just makes too much sense to remain in a holding pattern rn. We can always pivot at the trade deadline or next off-season if Wemby happens to hit the ground running.

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    False dichotomy. There's plenty to be said for getting the best talent available to support your projected generational rookie.
    Disagree. If you’re paying THAT salary, and THAT cost to acquire, you’d better be ing ringing, and more than once.

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    Maybe this will kill some of this BS Heat culture. Shipping a home grown player for a ring chaser, two FA leaving for other teams, tampering with other teams players, overpaying Robinson, Herro, and Lowry.

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    Maybe this will kill some of this BS Heat culture. Shipping a home grown player for a ring chaser, two FA leaving for other teams, tampering with other teams players, overpaying Robinson, Herro, and Lowry.
    Spoelstra us a genius coach. Riley is a good GM, even at times a great one, but his penchant for overpaying talent is bizarre.

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    Inanely reading tea leaves, I don't think the Spurs will get involved in the Lillard stuff. Nothing there for them. Herro could get routed to Brooklyn.

    You'd think they'd be interested in absorbing a Mills for draft capital. Houston may not have wanted them involved. Or the Spurs feel the roster crunch, esp guards.

    What is needed is clearly a big. Wild guess, since there are no good outright FA centers, is that they're waiting on the Harden Clippers situation, or simply the Clippers situation alone, feeling like one of Zubac or Plumlee will be on the move.

    Dunno.
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    God damn those supermax contract are something else. 37 yrs player for 63 milions and you would have to outbid other teams to do that.

    I doubt Spurs would be ready while Lillard is still in prime, and when they are ready, their star player have 55mil cap hit at age of 36.

    Hard pass if this is more than cap relief and couple 1st and 2nd package.

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    It's gonna be way more than 2 firsts. Damian has like 4 years left on his contract. And that contract is already starting to not look so bad after the contracts signed yesterday.
    So it’s a terrible contract and you want to add MORE than two FRPs? Not sure I follow

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    I've been away from the Lillard stuff today.... is Portland gonna end up with Ben Simmons? I get Brooklyn wanting Herro now if Simmons is going out instead of Spencer..

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    Spurstalk at its finest. Tim Duncan in his prime couldn’t go deep with this ty roster. Everyone is saying that we need to see how our team will fit with Wemby but any idiot can see that we don’t have a squad around him that fits.

    Tre Jones doesn’t fit. He can’t shoot and teams will double off of him to attack Wemby. Wemby is turnover prone and definitely will be early due to adjusting to nba speed. Giving teams an easy way to get him off his game and not improving the PG play isn’t “smart GM’ing.” It’s actually the opposite

    Vassell fits very well. He can shoot the ball. Pump fake and score off midrange and create for himself when the play goes bad. There’s zero part of Devin’s game that doesn’t fit with Wemby.

    Collins fits very well. He will take the brunt of the bodying for Wemby in the paint. He will stretch the floor offensively and on defense he is tough enough to bang in the paint. Wemby will have to help out on the boards but that’s a big duh.

    Sochan by default will have to move positions. He is no longer a starting PF. This might just be for 3 years until Wemby gets an NBA body. In which case he will slide back into the PF when Wemby inevitably becomes a center. Or it could be for the rest of his Spurs career. But he is now by all accounts a SF. For the people clamoring that he can run our offense and dribble the ball himself and create for others, guess what, SFs have been known to do that. See Bird, Pippen, Lebron. Now for this to happen, Sochan needs to learn how to shoot the ball. Luckily he is a gym rat. Unluckily, he is injured and I don’t really know how much you can develop your shot with a bum leg.

    KJ doesn’t fit with the starters. Easy enough. He can be a 6th man. And the rest of our bench pretty much sucks.

    Now with Lillard, we solve the PG problem. It won’t cost us “6 years of our own FRPs” to do it either. Probably 4 and even then they don’t have to be our own. We could do our own but something like our 24 pick, Chi FRP, and Atlanta pick, and a might do it. Lillard is an bonafide all nba player. He would immediately become our best player.

    And to the 4 years from now doomsday predictors, at the very least, he will be able to shoot the 3ball the rest of his career. I doubt he will be a 30 ppg guy at age 37, but he will be 20 and 6 very easily. And tbh trading him won’t be the albatross you guys think it will be. Might cost us a protected first at the most.

    Now my question is, if we get Dame, can we still outright sign a max free agent? Or do we have to trade for our 3rd star. Bc trading for a 3rd star might be pretty easy tbh. Trade for PG and offer him a 3 year max. Then You have Wemby, Lillard, PG, Sochan, and Collins, plus whatever bench we can piece together.

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    Just let Utah take a run at him. Sounds like they’re kicking the tires. Also, I always forget his alma mater, Weber State, is in Utah.

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    The more I think, Spurs could fit this 63 mil cap hit, since KJ and Wemby would be 32 mil cap hit combined. So three starters for 100 mil is not that bad. Just trade have to be reasonable and do not include Sochan, Vessell and KJ

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    The more I think, Spurs could fit this 63 mil cap hit, since KJ and Wemby would be 32 mil cap hit combined. So three starters for 100 mil is not that bad. Just trade have to be reasonable and do not include Sochan, Vessell and KJ
    They want the trading team to eat Nrkic’s deal, too. Another $20M per year. Absolute NOPE.

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    They want the trading team to eat Nrkic’s deal, too. Another $20M per year. Absolute NOPE.
    For Brooklyn that might make sense if they are sending Simmons to Portland...but it makes no sense here..

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    They want the trading team to eat Nrkic’s deal, too. Another $20M per year. Absolute NOPE.
    Still doable, but no way the Spurs add 3-5 frp to that. But Lillard, Nurkic for 2x1st, Birch and 5x2nds ?

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    Still doable, but no way the Spurs add 3-5 frp to that. But Lillard, Nurkic for 2x1st, Birch and 5x2nds ?
    Definitely not...

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    Definitely not...
    Too much or bad fit ?

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    I love seeing everyone’s asses collectively bunch up tighter than the pickle jar lid when we talk about big trades on here lol.

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    Too much or bad fit ?
    Both really to a degree.... cost is moreso the problem though...

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    I really dont want Herro Hoping SA doesn’t do it….

    If they get him for “free” by simply absorbing him maybe I can stomach it. Maybe. But I prefer not to

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    Spurstalk at its finest. Tim Duncan in his prime couldn’t go deep with this ty roster. Everyone is saying that we need to see how our team will fit with Wemby but any idiot can see that we don’t have a squad around him that fits.

    Tre Jones doesn’t fit. He can’t shoot and teams will double off of him to attack Wemby. Wemby is turnover prone and definitely will be early due to adjusting to nba speed. Giving teams an easy way to get him off his game and not improving the PG play isn’t “smart GM’ing.” It’s actually the opposite

    Vassell fits very well. He can shoot the ball. Pump fake and score off midrange and create for himself when the play goes bad. There’s zero part of Devin’s game that doesn’t fit with Wemby.

    Collins fits very well. He will take the brunt of the bodying for Wemby in the paint. He will stretch the floor offensively and on defense he is tough enough to bang in the paint. Wemby will have to help out on the boards but that’s a big duh.

    Sochan by default will have to move positions. He is no longer a starting PF. This might just be for 3 years until Wemby gets an NBA body. In which case he will slide back into the PF when Wemby inevitably becomes a center. Or it could be for the rest of his Spurs career. But he is now by all accounts a SF. For the people clamoring that he can run our offense and dribble the ball himself and create for others, guess what, SFs have been known to do that. See Bird, Pippen, Lebron. Now for this to happen, Sochan needs to learn how to shoot the ball. Luckily he is a gym rat. Unluckily, he is injured and I don’t really know how much you can develop your shot with a bum leg.

    KJ doesn’t fit with the starters. Easy enough. He can be a 6th man. And the rest of our bench pretty much sucks.

    Now with Lillard, we solve the PG problem. It won’t cost us “6 years of our own FRPs” to do it either. Probably 4 and even then they don’t have to be our own. We could do our own but something like our 24 pick, Chi FRP, and Atlanta pick, and a might do it. Lillard is an bonafide all nba player. He would immediately become our best player.

    And to the 4 years from now doomsday predictors, at the very least, he will be able to shoot the 3ball the rest of his career. I doubt he will be a 30 ppg guy at age 37, but he will be 20 and 6 very easily. And tbh trading him won’t be the albatross you guys think it will be. Might cost us a protected first at the most.

    Now my question is, if we get Dame, can we still outright sign a max free agent? Or do we have to trade for our 3rd star. Bc trading for a 3rd star might be pretty easy tbh. Trade for PG and offer him a 3 year max. Then You have Wemby, Lillard, PG, Sochan, and Collins, plus whatever bench we can piece together.
    Thanks for the hard to swallow pill. Right on the money, imho.

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    I really dont want Herro Hoping SA doesn’t do it….

    If they get him for “free” by simply absorbing him maybe I can stomach it. Maybe. But I prefer not to
    I think we shpuld let Brooklyn get him and unload Simmons to Portland in the process..

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    I love seeing everyone’s asses collectively bunch up tighter than the pickle jar lid when we talk about big trades on here lol.
    I would throw our entire pick bag,all of it, at Milwaukee or Dallas for Giannis or Doncic, and pay whatever they’re making. Not afraid of a big trade, but it has to be the right one.

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    I would throw our entire pick bag,all of it, at Milwaukee or Dallas for Giannis or Doncic, and pay whatever they’re making. Not afraid of a big trade, but it has to be the right one.
    That might just happen with Luka soon after another run with Kyrie... hoping.

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