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    I’m not the biggest fan of the ultra conservative approach but I find it funny that on ST of all places people are ing that the FO hasn’t signed vets to take playing time from the young guys.
    Especially after a season where Pop gave TONS of minutes to young guys and many of them look like they might be on the verge of making a leap.

    I honestly can't think of a better way to guarantee your young players work hard in the off season than to give them minutes and make them believe they can earn more minutes by improving.

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    I think the chances that they draft 3 rookies for the second time in three years approaches zero.
    It depends. If those 3 picks fall within the lottery and they like all three, they might. They'll just have to do a cleanup first and let go of whichever youngsters didn't meet expectations (among Bassey, Barlow, Cissoko, Wesley, etc), but by this time next year Wemby, Sochan and Branham shouldn't be considered prospects but solid contributors, so coupled with the many roster spots that will open up (given how many expiring contracts there are) I don't see why we couldn't take on 2 rookies (and maybe 3 if they like what's out there).

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    Of the bunch I'd consider those 2 (at the right price)

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    Just a gut feeling that Devins contract extension is going to be pretty messy tbh. I don’t think it’s as cut and dry as people here are expecting, hopefully I’m wrong tbh
    The thing imo is that vassell is nowhere near players who have big extensions these days, he did not have a good complete season already ( bane had two for example)

    if you want to extend him at a good price you need to do it before the season

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    Probably won’t happen for the spurs but out of all those guys Ayo Donsumu, has a bright future imo

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    The Primo kid is pretty intriguing. I wonder why nobody has picked him up yet, some team drafted him at #12 two years ago. I heard his D is scary

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    Probably won’t happen for the spurs but out of all those guys Ayo Donsumu, has a bright future imo
    we should have put 10mil on him and not on the second coming of Haywoode Workman, still puzzled by this...

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    I think so too. He might just gamble on hitting restricted FA. The Spurs are probably trying to be cheap as usual trying to bring the salary number down due to his knee injury while he thinks he can up his scoring average and get something closer to 150 than 100 million.
    doubt he gambles to become RFA. one injury and his value is shot and with spurs having the ability to match offers, he could end up in a situation where teams are just reluctant to tie up their cap space with an offer sheet (something we saw play out this year with He Who Shall Not Be Mentioned), who was a better player than Vassell to this point and with a much more affordable max available.

    Bane didnt get the max (though he got a lot), but he's also simply been better than vassell. better volume scorer, more efficient scorer, better passer, and even a better defender. vassell was billed as a 3 & D with upside but Bane has been better at 3's and at D . bane had the 2nd highest RPM of all SG's last year after Mitc . i dont think vassell can point to bane as a template at all.

    my thought was getting vassell at something like 4/85 or 4/90 would be fine. he wanted 25 per i'd say it would have to come on a 5th year, so something like 5/125 otherwise. obviously with rising cap numbers, those could all be adjusted upward somewhat, but i dont think vassell is seen as this sure thing future all-star around the league.

    if vassell really wanted to point at someone to get a better deal it probably would be Herro, who signed 4/130. i know ST hates herro, but herro was more dynamic and effective than vassell thus far, as well. the reason we love vassell is because we can still see the upside. he has more physical tools than herro, but we cant act like he's already put it together
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    The Primo kid is pretty intriguing. I wonder why nobody has picked him up yet, some team drafted him at #12 two years ago. I heard his D is scary
    eh he's shown some flashes but not enough to justify a signing

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    The Primo kid is pretty intriguing. I wonder why nobody has picked him up yet, some team drafted him at #12 two years ago. I heard his D is scary
    He catches you off guard and there's nothing that can be done to stop him. He's used to shocking people.

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    eh he's shown some flashes but not enough to justify a signing
    I think he was exposed as a bust tbh

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    eh he's shown some flashes but not enough to justify a signing
    Jalen Green wouldn't let him go to waste. Perfect match.

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    doubt he gambles to become RFA. one injury and his value is shot and with spurs having the ability to match offers, he could end up in a situation where teams are just reluctant to tie up their cap space with an offer sheet (something we saw play out this year with He Who Shall Not Be Mentioned), who was a better player than Vassell to this point and with a much more affordable max available.

    Bane didnt get the max (though he got a lot), but he's also simply been better than vassell. better volume scorer, more efficient scorer, better passer, and even a better defender. vassell was billed as a 3 & D with upside but Bane has been better at 3's and at D . bane had the 2nd highest RPM of all SG's last year after Mitc . i dont think vassell can point to bane as a template at all.

    my thought was getting vassell at something like 4/85 or 4/90 would be fine. he wanted 25 per i'd say it would have to come on a 5th year, so something like 5/125 otherwise. obviously with rising cap numbers, those could all be adjusted upward somewhat, but i dont think vassell is seen as this sure thing future all-star around the league.

    if vassell really wanted to point at someone to get a better deal it probably would be Herro, who signed 4/130. i know ST hates herro, but herro was more dynamic and effective than vassell thus far, as well. the reason we love vassell is because we can still see the upside. he has more physical tools than herro, but we cant act like he's already put it together
    Yeah Herro was what came to mind when I was thinking about what he’d want. FO will obviously want it closer to Keldons #. That’s a pretty big gulf. Landing at 4/100mil wouldn’t shock me tbh.

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    Yeah Herro was what came to mind when I was thinking about what he’d want. FO will obviously want it closer to Keldons #. That’s a pretty big gulf. Landing at 4/100mil wouldn’t shock me tbh.
    if he's going to want that average salary then i think a mandatory bargaining point has to become making the deal frontloaded

    keldon got his deal coming off a season where he put up 17/6/2 but on solid shooting efficiency and had proven to be a durable player. vassell is is coming off 18.5/4/3.5 on comparable efficiency, but also a year where he suited up for less than half the games. keldon got 4/74. vassell is definitely better positioned for a contract than keldon was, but not by twice the amount imo
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    Chinook is spot on. And again, I’m very pro FO and Wright for the job they’ve done until this point. They avoided critical mistakes (sure they waited a little long to reach conclusion but it didn’t harm Sa) , really finally started executing on trade market which they largely ignored as a tool in the tool belt and still drafted pretty damn well

    But they clearly lack some deep rooted imagination. While I agree with cautious is best, especially in first year with lots of exciting youth to develop and see who is who, there’s absolutely no way to slice through the fact SA had A TON of assets between cap space, young players and vets and draft picks and couldn’t find a way to use those things to truly and meaningfully improve their team and/or future outlook for success next 2-3 years.

    Like I said they did 85/90% great stuff and nothing is truly lost yet opportunity wise; so we have to keep that in mind. But the doubt about “do they have the brain power, vision and creativity to execute building a sustainable contender “ does creep in some with how wasteful of opportunities they are with a trove of assets at their disposal

    It’s one thing to build slow which I agree is best path; it’s another to not be shrewd assassins in turning over every single stone for value and asset ac ulation

    That’s the part that plants some seeds of doubt even though it’s too early to get alarmed. Nuance.

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    https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1675931099761877001
    Free agent C Mason Plumlee has agreed on a one-year, $5 million deal to return to the LA Clippers, agent Mark Bartelstein of @Prioritysports tells ESPN.Plumlee landed with Clippers at deadline and decides to stay with LA despite bigger financial offers elsewhere.

    My two favorite budget vets (Plumlee and Monte Morris) went for peanuts. F*ck

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    Jesus they couldn’t even get Plumlee

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    https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1675931099761877001


    My two favorite budget vets (Plumlee and Monte Morris) went for peanuts. F*ck
    wait, thats all it took?

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    Jesus they couldn’t even get Plumlee
    thank god

    had to avoid the big costly mistakes

    like a guy who settled for 1/5. im sure he took less to stay in a situation he liked, but how much less?

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    I’m not the biggest fan of the ultra conservative approach but I find it funny that on ST of all places people are ing that the FO hasn’t signed vets to take playing time from the young guys.
    I want both. I want Sa to trade Doug for legit value knowing you can replace him via FA or trade and be same roster but richer in draft capital etc.

    It’s the money under the mattress vs investing mentality. You can keep money in bank earning no interest and “risk free” or you can invest it and put it to work for you.

    And the risk free part is a bit misleading because with inflation and everything else you’re actually losing purchasing power but at least the money is there nominally

    To me it’s just a mentality thing. But tbh I’d rather them be a little too risk adverse than stupid so I won’t complain too much about it since Sa is in a great spot

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    Jesus they couldn’t even get Plumlee
    wait, thats all it took?
    they just said he got bigger offers elsewhere

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    So the C rotation is Collins with a long injury history, Bassey, Mamu and Barlow?

    You’re telling me they couldn’t have thrown a 1yr/10mil contract at Jock or Plumlee? They’re gonna bring in Joffrey 2.0, and the sniff crew is gonna go there’s your off-season signing like it was enough. What an fn joke

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    I want both. I want Sa to trade Doug for legit value knowing you can replace him via FA or trade and be same roster but richer in draft capital etc.

    It’s the money under the mattress vs investing mentality. You can keep money in bank earning no interest and “risk free” or you can invest it and put it to work for you.

    And the risk free part is a bit misleading because with inflation and everything else you’re actually losing purchasing power but at least the money is there nominally

    To me it’s just a mentality thing. But tbh I’d rather them be a little too risk adverse than stupid so I won’t complain too much about it since Sa is in a great spot
    doug has definitely been overpaid, but im not sure its actually that easy to replace him. its not just a matter of looking down the league leaders page and finding a guy who shoots 3's near 40% at his size. its the volume, the quality of shot, the movement necessary to generate his looks, etc. its a less common skill than people think. its why belinelli stuck around too

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