2023 NBA Free Agency Thread - June 30 @ 5 pm CDT

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Spurs gonna get Dom Barlow on a steal 4/10 contract like Bassey's... and still be under the floor.

Lmao that's exactly how it will go.

[DAF86]

Said it before but it bears repeating for those obsessed with adding a rotational C: The Heat made two Finals and three Conference Finals in four seasons with a bunch of undrafted players playing relatively important roles throughout.

If they could do that, then surely the re-building Spurs can provide opportunity for similar types to do the same.

Many times the difference between second rounders (and even many 1st rounders) and undrafted guys is opportunities. You might not find an undrafted all-star, but you can build many championship level role players if you have the eye and give the guys the time to develop.

[scott]

Working against Dom right now is that signing him would make reaching the floor a lot harder. I assume the 14 guys below are players the Spurs actually want:

Tre/Graham/Blake
Dev/Bran
Keldon/Cedi/Champ
Wemby/Sochan/Doug
Collins/Bassey/Mamu

Assume we waive Birch and Stevens, that leaves only 1 open roster spot and the Spurs have a bit more money to spend to reach the floor. Dom's contract will probably have to wait until the trade deadline and hope that someone gets moved out.

The other alternative would be if the Spurs waive Cedi, but I don't see that happening. I don't think the Spurs would have paid $7MM for just 1 SRP.

Edit: I'm operating under the assumption that the Spurs are close enough to the floor that they will do whatever they need to in order to reach it. They won't give up 50% of the tax payment by falling just barely short.

[MannyIsGod]

You somehow don't remember Vinny Del Negro or Lloyd Daniels, Chris Whitney, the corpse of Sleepy Floyd.

Your basketball takes are...interesting.

Negelle Knight

[Mr. Body]

Working against Dom right now is that signing him would make reaching the floor a lot harder. I assume the 14 guys below are players the Spurs actually want:

Tre/Graham/Blake
Dev/Bran
Keldon/Cedi/Champ
Wemby/Sochan/Doug
Collins/Bassey/Mamu

Assume we waive Birch and Stevens, that leaves only 1 open roster spot and the Spurs have a bit more money to spend to reach the floor. Dom's contract will probably have to wait until the trade deadline and hope that someone gets moved out.

The other alternative would be if the Spurs waive Cedi, but I don't see that happening. I don't think the Spurs would have paid $7MM for just 1 SRP.

How much are they short now? I think they can just up some of the new contracts a bit if it's not too much.

[scott]

How much are they short now? I think they can just up some of the new contracts a bit if it's not too much.

Last I heard it was something in the $6-8MM range.

Could Dev's extension include a raise for this season? Is he eligible for that kind of reworking/extension?

[slick'81]

Negelle Knight

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[MannyIsGod]

Working against Dom right now is that signing him would make reaching the floor a lot harder. I assume the 14 guys below are players the Spurs actually want:

Tre/Graham/Blake
Dev/Bran
Keldon/Cedi/Champ
Wemby/Sochan/Doug
Collins/Bassey/Mamu

Assume we waive Birch and Stevens, that leaves only 1 open roster spot and the Spurs have a bit more money to spend to reach the floor. Dom's contract will probably have to wait until the trade deadline and hope that someone gets moved out.

The other alternative would be if the Spurs waive Cedi, but I don't see that happening. I don't think the Spurs would have paid $7MM for just 1 SRP.

Edit: I'm operating under the assumption that the Spurs are close enough to the floor that they will do whatever they need to in order to reach it. They won't give up 50% of the tax payment by falling just barely short.

Spurs need 2.7 million to get to the floor and Sidy and Barlow aren't signed. They'll get there easily with those 2

[scott]

According to this they are only a little over $3MM to the floor, but that includes Steven's full deal. If we waive him before guaranteeing the whole year, we'd be $4.5 short. We could always guarantee him and then waive him, and that would count towards the floor per timvp

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/cap/

[scott]

Spurs need 2.7 million to get to the floor and Sidy and Barlow aren't signed. They'll get there easily with those 2

From what I could find looks like we are closer to $4.5MM short, and there isn't room for both Sidy and Barlow. One of them will need to be a 2-way.

[CGD]

Working against Dom right now is that signing him would make reaching the floor a lot harder. I assume the 14 guys below are players the Spurs actually want:

Tre/Graham/Blake
Dev/Bran
Keldon/Cedi/Champ
Wemby/Sochan/Doug
Collins/Bassey/Mamu

Assume we waive Birch and Stevens, that leaves only 1 open roster spot and the Spurs have a bit more money to spend to reach the floor. Dom's contract will probably have to wait until the trade deadline and hope that someone gets moved out.

The other alternative would be if the Spurs waive Cedi, but I don't see that happening. I don't think the Spurs would have paid $7MM for just 1 SRP.

Edit: I'm operating under the assumption that the Spurs are close enough to the floor that they will do whatever they need to in order to reach it. They won't give up 50% of the tax payment by falling just barely short.

I wouldn’t put it past them to waive Cedi if there is someone else they like.

[MannyIsGod]

From what I could find looks like we are closer to $4.5MM short, and there isn't room for both Sidy and Barlow. One of them will need to be a 2-way.

Def don't think the 4.5 number is right.

I'm assuming Sidy is almost certainly on a two way although they might just waive him tbh. Barlow is 100% getting an NBA deal and after tonight would be shocked to see him on a two way.

[scott]

Also looks like Tre and Champ's new deals are increasing, not decreasing - so that could maybe be something they futz with to close the gap.

[scott]

Def don't think the 4.5 number is right.

I'm assuming Sidy is almost certainly on a two way although they might just waive him tbh. Barlow is 100% getting an NBA deal and after tonight would be shocked to see him on a two way.

Take a look at the Sportrac link I posted. A shade over $3MM is what they calculate. But Stevens' is only guaranteed roughly $500k, not the 1.9 they have listed, so you have to add back the $1.4MM

[scott]

I'm also not sure the Spurs are going to go sign Barlow based on this one summer league game. Bassey put up a number of as/more impressive G-League games and a few nice NBA outings before the Spurs committed to his deal. It's possible the Spurs were right there on the fence and this one SL game tips them over... but they are usually a little more pragmatic than that.

[MannyIsGod]

Take a look at the Sportrac link I posted. A shade over $3MM is what they calculate. But Stevens' is only guaranteed roughly $500k, not the 1.9 they have listed, so you have to add back the $1.4MM

Ok that checks out then! The sheet I'm looking at has the full 1.9. I'm sure they'll just front load deals if they have to.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm also not sure the Spurs are going to go sign Barlow based on this one summer league game. Bassey put up a number of as/more impressive G-League games and a few nice NBA outings before the Spurs committed to his deal. It's possible the Spurs were right there on the fence and this one SL game tips them over... but they are usually a little more pragmatic than that.

Sure but someone will. And honestly it would be stupid of the spurs not to.

[CGD]

Spurs need 2.7 million to get to the floor and Sidy and Barlow aren't signed. They'll get there easily with those 2

I kinda think they’re close or already there, and we just don’t have all the details. Like maybe Champagne’s deal, reported as 12m/4y, is really 12M in guaranteed money with a 4th partial/non-guaranteed year, such that the starting figure is closer to 4M. And maybe Tre’s deal is slightly frontloaded etc. You can see then how giving Barlow (or whoever) as similar deal to Julian basically gets them there.

I think Sidy is a 2 way deal.

[scott]

Sure but someone will. And honestly it would be stupid of the spurs not to.

You mean someone else will extend Barlow an offer sheet? That might actually work in the Spurs favor, because then the negotiating will be done for them. If a team really wanted to screw with the Spurs, they'd get Dom to sign an offer sheet that doesn't get the Spurs to the floor... then they'd be left with a difficult decision (because it would mean they'd have to cut someone else).

[scott]

I kinda think they’re close or already there, and we just don’t have all the details. Like maybe Champagne’s deal, reported as 12m/4y, is really 12M in guaranteed money with a 4th partial/non-guaranteed year, such that the starting figure is closer to 4M. And maybe Tre’s deal is slightly frontloaded etc. You can see then how giving Barlow (or whoever) as similar deal to Julian basically gets them there.

I think Sidy is a 2 way deal.

Yeah I wonder how accurate Sportrac is. That team seems really good at tracking down the details, but how much if it is really accurate? Right now they list Tre's new deal starting at $9.6MM this year and Champ's at $2.8MM. There's probably about a million of gap that could be made up if they were declining deals I'd guess. Maybe Chinook can weigh in.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah I wonder how accurate Sportrac is. That team seems really good at tracking down the details, but how much if it is really accurate? Right now they list Tre's new deal starting at $9.6MM this year and Champ's at $2.8MM. There's probably about a million of gap that could be made up if they were declining deals I'd guess. Maybe Chinook can weigh in.

Well nothign has been signed yet so while they can be very accurate with actual deals, all we have right now are agreements. I think the Spurs can alter some of the contracts to meet their needs and its not like a player is likely to be against getting more money sooner.

[KobesAchilles]

You somehow don't remember Vinny Del Negro or Lloyd Daniels, Chris Whitney, the corpse of Sleepy Floyd.

Your basketball takes are...interesting.

I do remember them. Tbh I haven’t thought about Lloyd Daniels in years
Man I hated Red McCombs too.
Vinny was our starting SG not PG though and I hated him too. Somehow he was a better coach than he was a player and he sucked at both. Completely off topic, but if Dave didn’t get injured in 96 then I think we ring. We would only have one ring as a franchise, so thankfully everyone was hurt, but I think Wilkins gets us over the top that year.

[MannyIsGod]

I actually also wonder if the Spurs would hold up on signing deals after the moratorium ends if they are interested in being part of multi team deals involving Harden and Lillard.

[Degoat]

Do trades go through after the moratorium too?

[Obstructed_View]

I do remember them. Tbh I haven’t thought about Lloyd Daniels in years
Man I hated Red McCombs too.
Vinny was our starting SG not PG though and I hated him too. Somehow he was a better coach than he was a player and he sucked at both. Completely off topic, but if Dave didn’t get injured in 96 then I think we ring. We would only have one ring as a franchise, so thankfully everyone was hurt, but I think Wilkins gets us over the top that year.

He was until he was shoehorned in as a point guard. Exactly the same thing the Spurs are trying to do to Blake Wesley.