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POR sure wants valuable FRPs but who can give them that, considering the players discussed? Not sure the CHA pick would be so appetetizing to them.
Portland is in a tough spot. They already have a rough reputation for the way Walton and Drexler divorces went down, coupled with their spotty history with medical issues. Players will be looking at how Portland handles this and it may impact their ability to attract talent in the future. It's not really fair the way they are being viewed however, considering that they just gave Dame a quarter-billion dollar extension last season.
Folks criticize the Spurs for always wanting to do-right by their players, but I think this is why they do it, to try and avoid situations like these. (Though obviously it didn't help with the Nephew situation)
POR sure wants valuable FRPs but who can give them that, considering the players discussed? Not sure the CHA pick would be so appetetizing to them.
what team is going to sell the farm for a guy who doesnt want to be there?
Sounds like Miami could relatively easily generate a 3rd FRP by negotiating protections on a 2025 owed to OKC. If that’s true, that’s a pretty solid haul for Dame especially if they can move Nurk.
They can sit on Herro for a while and flip him later. Not the end of the world if they can’t move him now.
3 FRPs + 3 Swaps - does that get it done?
Feel free.
I don’t know what else Portland can expect to get elsewhere honestly. Take the Herro asset and dump Nurk, move on.
Honestly if I’m them I’m also shopping Simons around.
They'd have him for four years. You think he's going to incinerate the end of his career?
I think I saw a funny tweet about how the trio of Kyrie, Durant and Harden have demanded 7 trades in 2 years - and pending Harden they've all been successful... what's to stop Dame from just demanding another trade next year from his new team? Player empowerment has run amuck.
What non-Heat team will trade for Lillard knowing that he might try to force his way out later? He has already proven that he's willing to do it.
The only way that happens is with Lillard's blessing.
He'll have 3 more years under contract, and if he holds out, he doesn't get paid, and at the end of the season, he still has 3 contract years to honor.
and what FO is going to take that risk?
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/ins...rd-trade-talks
"Portland doesn't want guard Tyler Herro and the four years and $120 million owed on his extension, but there are teams that have told ESPN they would surrender a good first-round pick to the Blazers -- maybe something more -- to become a facilitator by taking on Herro in a three-way deal."
Per Woj, about people thinking Herro value will be to take a first back ..... Btw i understand why some don't want him : character, contract and the fact we already have Vassell, Branham at the same position.....
Last edited by duncan2150; 07-06-2023 at 09:45 AM.
I’ve been saying this. You all might not like Herro but he’s not going to be treated as a cap burden that requires compensation to take on. He’s a legit asset miami is giving to try and make this trade happen. Just so happens that he’s an asset portland doesn’t have as much use for
The problem is that Miami are trying to make everyone believe he's an elite asset that's worth a lot.
Miami has Herro, two picks and maybe Jovic as their Lillard assets. Jovic looks like an interesting player, but not worth a lot at this point.
Blazers would probably want 4 or 5 first rounders, depending on how valuable those picks are.
Miami's two picks could be really good, but then again, it's Miami and they somehow always find a way to be compe ive.
I'm sure there are teams that would love to give up a first rounder for Herro, but I doubt anyone wants to give up multiple firsts that could have a lot of value.
And then we end up with Miami's best offer being three first rounders of questionable quality and Jovic, which isn't nearly good enough for a player of Lillard's level.
Especially with news of him threatening to sit out the season coming out.
As for the Spurs, I personally don't want Herro. As I said, he's a good player, but there are pletny of no defense, shoot first guards in the league and they can be found for way less than 120/4.
A team traded for Ben Simmons. THREE teams have traded for Kyrie. Three teams have also traded for Harden. It's not a matter of liking or not liking Herro, it's a matter of recognizing that other teams consider players to have positive value where the Spurs would not. I think the only thing we could contribute to this deal are the recent ending contracts acquired. That might net us a handful of SRPs.
Dunno.
Feel like what's holding up a Lillard-Heat trade is draft compensation. If someone wanted Herro for a pick and Portland is okay with three picks, Lillard is gone.
Either no one wants Herro for that first round draft pick, despite what Shams is saying.
Or Portland wants even more. And the only place another pick is coming from is the team taking Herro.
Someone also needs to take out the rest of Miami's trash to make the salaries match. That won't be free, either.
I said Shams but it's Woj
Yes maybe Portland want more than three picks as they're trying to have more leverage on this trade
I'm not sure you have so much shooting guards who are 38% 3pts shooter on their career while shooting a lot, can rebound and pass also. Agree about the D tough. For me it's more about having Vassell and developping Branham, without them it's a no brainer if i can have him for a first and a little asset.
Like i said imo what's freezing the deal is that they need a team who gives 2 firsts for Herro wich is unlikely at this point.
Or Portland wants even more. And the only place another pick is coming from is the team taking Herro.[/QUOTE]
Giving a good first round pick for Herro means very little because that pick can be attached to a bad contract.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nets are offering Ben Simmons and a good first round pick for Herro.
Also if Portland wants Jaime Jaquez he can’t be included for a month because he just signed his contract
They're basically pulling Herro around the town square by the ear like a little orphan boy. They have to sell him and that's the worst way to get a fair price.
I think Portland wants 4 picks, but they'll eventually settle for 3. We could be that team or it could be Utah or Brooklyn. Its just hard to know what the FO is thinking..
I agree it will come to 3 FRPs. I think part of what Portland is concerned about is this idea (right or wrong) that unprotected Miami FRPs will still be in the late teens or 20s. Basically they want to secure a chance at a higher quality pick, and Herro is the vehicle.
The questions is what team wants Herro and willing to cough something up like Portland wants? I'm sure they're out there, but its probably a team with limited flexibility. , the Spurs may be needed as a fourth team to absorb the 3rd team's trash.
That would make a lot of sense.
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