Shams: Spurs Trade for Reggie Bullock and Unprotected 2030 First Round Pick Swap

[Atl Spur]

Don't really see as much value in a pick swap 7 years into the future as some of the others here. Luka would only be 31 by then. So unless he leaves or is injured that season, who knows if this pick swap is advantageous. Guess spurs could always recover some value by flipping Bullocks later.

The 7 years is what make it a great deal! Your core should be rolling by then, so instead of the 29 or 30th we may get 15 etc…. The mavs track record in team building is far from stellar!

[Mr. Body]

Can the Spurs do anything with all of these expiring deals that would be worth it before the season? That’s what Im watching. The fact they can be aggregated is very nice. Spurs obviously don’t need really any of these guys especially with Doug/Graham having head starts in the system. All 3 of Cedi+Bullock+Stevens all expendable and obviously Khem is as well.

Those 4 are 24M - add Graham and that’s 36M in salaries, all expiring totally except Graham who has like 2.5M guaranteed only next year.

- The Spurs seem to not want contracts lasting beyond next year (other than homegrown talent). This makes sense; no reason to spend on a player who doesn't greatly upgrade a roster position and we don't even know what works.

- What value do expiring contracts have when teams must get up to the floor before the season starts? The immediate money-saving aspect is curbed.

- With only so many roster spots, does it make sense to carry all these expiring vets just to see what happens at the deadline?

- Will the Spurs' at ude toward long-term salary have changed by the time the deadline comes around?

Basically, if the Spurs don't want to take on contracts that are even two years long, this curtails what good these expirings are right now. At the moment, the roster is precarious in unneeded players. This can be fixed. It certainly feels like there's something else coming to consolidate or sell contracts to some team that needs to shave one-year salary by a bit. But I wouldn't be surprised if they just cut the cheapest and go into the season with what they have. In a sense, going deep into the year with cap space has been replaced as a strategy by the CBA. Now, it's better to carry a number of expiring contracts.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

LOL yall really haven’t been watching Bullock if you think he’s a solid 3 and D anymore.

I’ll just leave this here. Luka was feeding this guy the most wide open “check the wind” threes nonstop all season, and he was still under 40%.

You haven’t been watching the NBA in the last 50 years if you think some stick skinny 7+ footer is getting 5 years in without debilitating foot injuries.

pathetic

[Bruno]

I really like this trade. Some random thoughts:

- I expect Spurs to be the one to trade all these second round picks. Mavs just don't have second round picks to send to Boston. The already have traded their second round picks in 2024,2026,2027,202 and 2029. They only have a conditional 2025 second round pick left and their 2030 second round pick.

- Trading quan y to quality is damn hard to do and Spurs did that. They have traded between 4 to 6 assets (2 to 4 SRPs, their 2030 FRP and cap space) for 1 better asset (best of Spurs/Mavs 2030 FRP).

- There were some talks about Spurs ownership wanting to be just over the salary floor to save money. Spurs are now at least $7M over the floor. I'm glad it wasn't true. It would have been extremely cheap and even worrisome from Spurs ownership.

- As some of you as said, this trade show that Spurs FO is working in a healthy environment. Doing a trade for an asset that is 7 years down the road show that Spurs don't have a GM that is working to save his job or an ownership that is only interested in short term gains. It's nice to know that Spurs GM is working for the long term future of the franchise.

- Spurs have only traded for expiring contracts this summer. They are keeping all their next summer cap space and ability to do major trades. If Wembanyama and the rest core show enough promises, Spurs should start to do moves to be once again a contender in 2024.

- What to do with Reggie Bullock? He is a nice vet but he plays at a position where Spurs are crowded with a lot of talented young players. Maybe a trade but you need to find the right partner. Spurs have also too much players under contract with 16 guaranteed contracts.

- An added benefit of this trade is that he gives us an additional good reason to root against Mavs in the future.

[JPB]

I really like this trade. Some random thoughts:

- I expect Spurs to be the one to trade all these second round picks. Mavs just don't have second round picks to send to Boston. The already have traded their second round picks in 2024,2026,2027,202 and 2029. They only have a conditional 2025 second round pick left and their 2030 second round pick.

- Trading quan y to quality is damn hard to do and Spurs did that. They have traded between 4 to 6 assets (2 to 4 SRPs, their 2030 FRP and cap space) for 1 better asset (best of Spurs/Mavs 2030 FRP).

- There were some talks about Spurs ownership wanting to be just over the salary floor to save money. Spurs are now at least $7M over the floor. I'm glad it wasn't true. It would have been extremely cheap and even worrisome from Spurs ownership.

- As some of you as said, this trade show that Spurs FO is working in a healthy environment. Doing a trade for an asset that is 7 years down the road show that Spurs don't have a GM that is working to save his job or an ownership that is only interested in short term gains. It's nice to know that Spurs GM is working for the long term future of the franchise.

- Spurs have only traded for expiring contracts this summer. They are keeping all their next summer cap space and ability to do major trades. If Wembanyama and the rest core show enough promises, Spurs should start to do moves to be once again a contender in 2024.

- What to do with Reggie Bullock? He is a nice vet but he plays at a position where Spurs are crowded with a lot of talented young players. Maybe a trade but you need to find the right partner. Spurs have also too much players under contract with 16 guaranteed contracts.

- An added benefit of this trade is that he gives us an additional good reason to root against Mavs in the future.

Yep, they're doing just what they said they would, and pretty brilliantly.

- No costly mistakes.
- Trying to develop and see what they got in their youngsters or fringe guys, under small or friendly contracts.
- keeping their assets for an opportunity at a second superstar + potentially a few elite role players to replace whoever might not survive those next 3-4 years.
- Long term vision. Wemby should enter his prime in 4-5 years, so preparing now for that period is smart GM'ing.

[jesterbobman]

I really like this trade. Some random thoughts:

- I expect Spurs to be the one to trade all these second round picks. Mavs just don't have second round picks to send to Boston. The already have traded their second round picks in 2024,2026,2027,202 and 2029. They only have a conditional 2025 second round pick left and their 2030 second round pick.

- Trading quan y to quality is damn hard to do and Spurs did that. They have traded between 4 to 6 assets (2 to 4 SRPs, their 2030 FRP and cap space) for 1 better asset (best of Spurs/Mavs 2030 FRP).

- There were some talks about Spurs ownership wanting to be just over the salary floor to save money. Spurs are now at least $7M over the floor. I'm glad it wasn't true. It would have been extremely cheap and even worrisome from Spurs ownership.

- As some of you as said, this trade show that Spurs FO is working in a healthy environment. Doing a trade for an asset that is 7 years down the road show that Spurs don't have a GM that is working to save his job or an ownership that is only interested in short term gains. It's nice to know that Spurs GM is working for the long term future of the franchise.

- Spurs have only traded for expiring contracts this summer. They are keeping all their next summer cap space and ability to do major trades. If Wembanyama and the rest core show enough promises, Spurs should start to do moves to be once again a contender in 2024.

- What to do with Reggie Bullock? He is a nice vet but he plays at a position where Spurs are crowded with a lot of talented young players. Maybe a trade but you need to find the right partner. Spurs have also too much players under contract with 16 guaranteed contracts.

- An added benefit of this trade is that he gives us an additional good reason to root against Mavs in the future.

I imagine they'll try and trade Reggie.

He was down last year, but he's had multiple seasons of being a solid (though not spectacular) playoff rotation wing as someone who can knock down open shots and defend. Seems like he could fetch a second / a move up at the deadline if a team wanted to upgrade from one expiring deal to his - e.g, Fournier + late 2024 first from NY / Dallas for Bullock and 2024 early second - similar to the value from the Thad Young deal. That's probably about the limit, but a good continuation of the many assets for one pattern.
Could also see Miami trying to move off Lowry for depth if they get Dame - Graham / Bullock / Stephens for Lowry would be perfectly fine from my POV.

[duncan2150]

What i like the most about those trades and this one, is that we capitalize on expiring contracts with assets attached

those expiring could be gold ( with our picks) for a trade or two during the season, plus the fact that bullock or maybe osman can be valuable for some teams.

the swap in seven years looks really good tough

[Bruno]

There was also this legit? fear of Spurs being stuck with too much second round picks and being forced to trade them for cash. This trade lower this potential risk.

[exstatic]

Don't really see as much value in a pick swap 7 years into the future as some of the others here. Luka would only be 31 by then. So unless he leaves or is injured that season, who knows if this pick swap is advantageous. Guess spurs could always recover some value by flipping Bullocks later.

They were in the lottery a little over a month ago with a peak, young Luka.

[Brazil]

- An added benefit of this trade is that he gives us an additional good reason to root against Mavs in the future.

as if we needed another one

[CGD]

I’d like to see them consolidate at least two of the expirings for additional assets. I’ve posited taking back the Lonzo contract for
CHI which includes money next year for another distant FRP, but seems Spurs don’t want to en ber next year’s space just yet. Chicago could be motivated if the indeed extend DDR.

[Dex]

Mavs have lost/traded everyone that helped Luka get to the WCF. No glue pieces left.

But they got Krazy Glue in Kyrie Irving

[exstatic]

But they got Krazy Glue in Kyrie Irving

[Spurs9]

Brian Right at it again tbh.

Hes unreal tbh

[ChumpDumper]

Definitely a deal worth going above the floor for. We'll see what else they look to do if anything.

[tesseractive]

guy asked about proven SFs and you included a guy who played 15 NBA games and then a guy who has basically never played SF in the nba on your list

What position is Sochan playing this year with Wimby at the 4? If he's not coming off the bench, 3 would make the most sense, right?

[Vince Carter's ankle]

What position is Sochan playing this year with Wimby at the 4? If he's not coming off the bench, 3 would make the most sense, right?

it is not the position that matters, but the role on the court

[cd98]

Spurs need some solid vets to show the young guys how to be professional and to be mentors in the locker room. So anytime they add one, even if they aren't spectacular players, they will play an important role for the young guys. And if they are expiring, we can always do them a favor and buy them out at the end of the year and let them join contenders so we can open up roster spots to try and mine for gold from the G League.

I'm not optimistic that the Spurs will be in the playoffs this year, though I expect them to be at the top of the lottery and a borderline play-in team.

[Obstructed_View]

Spurs need some solid vets to show the young guys how to be professional and to be mentors in the locker room. So anytime they add one, even if they aren't spectacular players, they will play an important role for the young guys. And if they are expiring, we can always do them a favor and buy them out at the end of the year and let them join contenders so we can open up roster spots to try and mine for gold from the G League.

I'm not optimistic that the Spurs will be in the playoffs this year, though I expect them to be at the top of the lottery and a borderline play-in team.

I don't understand this thinking. The Spurs have a ton of retired players with tons of deep playoff experience for the young guys to draw from. Don't know that any of the vets the Spurs have acquired are anything else than trade fodder. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this.

[spurraider21]

What position is Sochan playing this year with Wimby at the 4? If he's not coming off the bench, 3 would make the most sense, right?

He’s coming off the bench

[Mr. Body]

I don't understand this thinking. The Spurs have a ton of retired players with tons of deep playoff experience for the young guys to draw from. Don't know that any of the vets the Spurs have acquired are anything else than trade fodder. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this.

It's good to have vets during the day-to-day, guys who show how to pack, travel, how to get sleep, eat right, prepare day after day. Having Duncan or Parker in SA won't help in that regard.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't understand this thinking. The Spurs have a ton of retired players with tons of deep playoff experience for the young guys to draw from. Don't know that any of the vets the Spurs have acquired are anything else than trade fodder. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this.

I believe the Spurs have had interest in Osman in the past. Retired players generally aren't with the players that much. Vets are in the trenches the whole time.

[Obstructed_View]

It's good to have vets during the day-to-day, guys who show how to pack, travel, how to get sleep, eat right, prepare day after day. Having Duncan or Parker in SA won't help in that regard.

Good point. I remember watching a video with Demar where he didn't know players had their own chefs preparing them food. It's a bit shocking that the NBA pays so much money to these kids and gives them so little guidance.

As I've said, I'd prefer a guy who has that wisdom plus some skins on the wall. I imagine a scrub vet who has played a dozen playoff games doesn't resonate with the kids as well.

[ChumpDumper]

Good point. I remember watching a video with Demar where he didn't know players had their own chefs preparing them food. It's a bit shocking that the NBA pays so much money to these kids and gives them so little guidance.

As I've said, I'd prefer a guy who has that wisdom plus some skins on the wall. I imagine a scrub vet who has played a dozen playoff games doesn't resonate with the kids as well.

I thought Grogu was pretty popular with the kids and he's been in 7 playoff games.

[Obstructed_View]

I believe the Spurs have had interest in Osman in the past. Retired players generally aren't with the players that much. Vets are in the trenches the whole time.

Very true, and I do see the value in it. I guess my bar is higher than a guy with 19 playoff games on his resume, or at least my wish list. At least he went deep into the playoffs. I honestly don't know non-Spurs players well enough to know who is here to be on the roster and who is here to be shipped back out.