The Parisian Patisserie of Victor Wembanyama

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it's much more boring now with much less talent.

Call me crazy, but I loved defense. Give me a 82-77 game every time. Chess over checkers.

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Purists and Spurs fans love the low scoring. Casual fans loved the 115-110 games in the 1980’s. They tolerated the clamp-down defense and 87-75 scores in the 1990’s as long as Jordan was involved. Once he was gone, they stopped watching.

The Spurs played the perfect game for the 2000’s era. They could run with the Suns or grind it out with the Pistons. But international stars playing 82-77 games meant 6.3 Finals ratings. Even the first edition of the Beautiful Game Spurs in 2013 with all that offense was still playing lots of playoff games with scores in the 90s.

The NBA has had to keep ratcheting the restrictions on defense because defenses have kept getting more sophisticated. This is what it took to get back to the scoring levels of the 1980’s. They’ve taken it too far now — there are too many games in the 130’s. But the casual fans have kept tuning in. Neither Denver nor Miami is an ‘it’ team but the Finals ratings were decent.

[Alain]

At 6:54 she says Wemby played 44 games across all compe ions. That is false. He played 44 games solely for LNB Pro A (34 regular season games, 10 playoff games). All in all here's all the games I could gather:

44 - LNB Pro A
4 - French National Team
2 - G-League Ignite showcase
2 - NBA Summer League
1 - French Cup
1 - Leaders Cup
1 - LNB All Star Game

That's 55 total. For those who have followed Wemby's season closely, am I missing any game?

Anyway, I don't think playing 65 games is such a stretch from playing 55 the previous season.

55 games, but in 9 months. NBA regular season is 7 months long...

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55 games, but in 9 months. NBA regular season is 7 months long...

Many rookies hit a wall. It takes a year for conditioning to catch up.

[DAF86]

Prefering Curry at Magic, cos NuMbeRS!

Some people clearly never saw Magic play, to sum up his play at "flashy passes". You don't dominate the NBA with flashy passes, ask Jayson Williams.

Can Curry post? Can Curry play at center? Does Curry has the sky Hook? Curry is the best shooter of all time but not even close to the best PG. As being, mentioned, if his shoot ain't falling, he's just any PG out there. Magic was positionless basketball before it was a thing. his transition game was the most devastating ever. he was just not playing in a era where BB has become a 3 pt contest.

And lol at saying that the 90s is the most overrated era... There was like 2 future HOFers on any team and talent all over the NBA... Jordan, Barkley, Olajuwon, Pippen, Robinson, Drexler, Stockton, Malone, Ewing, Alonzo Mourning, Shaq, Isaiah Thomas, Dumars, Grant Hll, Tim Hardaway, Mullin, Kemp, Gary Payton, Richmond...

these players made the NBA popular world wide... you were watching games for them... We ARE living in the worst NBA era. Drive and kick, drive and kick... for a 3. the NBA was much more entertaining then, it's much more boring now with much less talent.

You can pick whomever you want, but to act as if Curry isn't in the same level as Magic is just ignorant.

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Johnson and Curry shouldn't be directly compared because of some silly label.

I stand to be corrected, but I'm pretty sure Nixon, Cooper and Scott primarily defended PG's throughout Johnson's career, yet somehow he's a "PG" and James is a "SF"?

Curry's true le is greatest small guard of all time, ahead of Paul and Stockton.

Still, he's joined Bryant as the most coddled/mythologized player in league history because he/Warriors have played the media game, he's non threatening to whites (which is why he receives a free pass for his antics) and casuals/kids alike find his style entertaining.

The reality is, he hasn't won anything notable without unprecedented opponent injury luck/Durant.

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I think Steph had a higher peak than Magic, but that Magic had a better career. Steph’s best year was when they went 73-9 but lost the Finals.

People forget that a Lakers team with Kareem, Jamaal Wilkes, Norm Nixon, and Adrian Dantley couldn’t get over the hump until Magic showed up, and then… instant dynasty.

As an aside, LeBron’s ‘13 and ‘16 les were extremely impressive given the compe ion.

Put Magic on any of those warrior teams instead of Curry. They win as many les or more IMO.

[DAF86]

Put Magic on any of those warrior teams instead of Curry. They win as many les or more IMO.

That's just nonesense. That team was entirely built around Curry's shooting. Exchange him for Magic and the Warriors become a completely different team and I really doubt a good enough one to win more than 4 championships. In fact, I don't see a core of Magic, Klay and Draymond winning any championship, tbh.

Now, Curry on a team with Kareem, Worthy, Byron Scott, Ac Green, Michael Cooper. That's definitely a championship team.

[JPB]

Magic Johnson career triple double games: 138
Steph Curry career triple double games: 13

Only flashy passes, righ?. I mean, sure if you only watch YT highlights.

Somebody tells me again who is the most complete player? I mean no one who knows BB history put Curry over Magic, absolutely nobody. Magic is legend, he is BB, Curry is a great shooter in a team that indeed had a lot of luck and for whom time won't be as friendly that it is still with Johnson.

[slick'81]

Magic Johnson career triple double games: 138
Steph Curry career triple double games: 13

Somebody tells me again who is the most complete player? I mean no one who knows BB history put Curry over Magic, absolutely nobody. Magic is legend, he is BB, Curry is a great shooter in a team that indeed had a lot of luck and for whom time won't be as friendly that it is still with Johnson.

its all hersay and opinions

[JPB]

its all hersay and opinions

Magic is BB Olympus with MJ, Bird, Chamberlain and co. Curry is watching from under... He's an intruder at their table.

[DAF86]

Magic Johnson career triple double games: 138
Steph Curry career triple double games: 13

Only flashy passes, righ?. I mean, sure if you only watch YT highlights.

Somebody tells me again who is the most complete player? I mean no one who knows BB history put Curry over Magic, absolutely nobody. Magic is legend, he is BB, Curry is a great shooter in a team that indeed had a lot of luck and for whom time won't be as friendly that it is still with Johnson.

Dude, are you Magic's lover or something?

Curry is, objectively, a more impactful player than Magic. Metrics indicate so. I'm not saying to base everything on advanced metrics, but for sure is a more worthy stat than numbers of triples doubles, tbh. Westbrook is the king of triple doubles, I imagine he's the GOAT for you.

Like I said earlier, you can prefer Magic over Curry, but to act like it isn't even a discussion is ignorant.

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Hall of Famer Jerry West names special quality about Victor Wembanyama

https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/2...est-interview/

He is unbelievably polished. After his first game I saw him play in the summer league, I would say I went there and, maybe because of all of the hype, was expecting to see a little bit more. He gets up with the writers afterward and how many times do you see an athlete say: ‘I didn’t play my best game. I think I’m going to get better going forward.’

It is hard to get some honest answers from players today … but he got up and said: ‘I’m going to get better going forward.’ He is fun (and) has got a smile on his face. But the way he’ll represent not only the Spurs but the league, to me, is what is going to make him really special besides his ability.

[JPB]

Dude, are you Magic's lover or something?

Curry is, objectively, a more impactful player than Magic. Metrics indicate so. I'm not saying to base everything on advanced metrics, but for sure is a more worthy stat than numbers of triples doubles, tbh. Westbrook is the king of triple doubles, I imagine he's the GOAT for you.

Like I said earlier, you can prefer Magic over Curry, but to act like it isn't even a discussion is ignorant.

What is ignorant is using metrics to compare different eras. And not understand Magic was precisely piling up the trip dubs while winning chips... It was efficient BB.
Again, nobody who knows BB put Curry in NBA history, like no freaking body... Ask people who really saw both play and everyone pick Magic as their PG. You're correct, that's not even a debate. Put both players in the other's era and Curry is a random shooter while Magic is still a superstar. And for good reasons... Talent.

Curry is a fantastic shooter but is limited in all other areas, he's pretty monolithic...There's one mlilion things Mgic was doing Curry couldn't, if only because of Magic size and strentgh. I mean comparig a legend who could play 1 to 5 and was piling up trip dubs while winning les to... a shooter shewing his stuff... *There's an alternate reality where Curry only has one le. And it's not like it's 1. Magic 2. curry. Not a PG but Bird was ofc above Curry as a player.

Not to mention players' aura, charisma and star power.. Eveybody loved Magic, for the uber talented player he was and how he was owning the game...I mean he had 10 Currys in every finger... No one will really talk about Steph in 10 years other than for the great shooter he was. He's pretty boring for that matter. Poeple sill remember Magic for his unique talent, and how he made people love BB all over the world... Curry has more haters than lovers.
Organize a dinner for ultimate NBA legends and Curry is not invited.

And yes, ofc I love Magic, everybody does, starting by Jordan who idolized him. Everybody wanted to be Magic as a player. Kids for sure but players in high scholl or College today don't idolize and all dream of being Steph.

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Dude, are you Magic's lover or something?

Curry is, objectively, a more impactful player than Magic. Metrics indicate so. I'm not saying to base everything on advanced metrics, but for sure is a more worthy stat than numbers of triples doubles, tbh. Westbrook is the king of triple doubles, I imagine he's the GOAT for you.

Like I said earlier, you can prefer Magic over Curry, but to act like it isn't even a discussion is ignorant.

It isn't even a discussion. Magic is a top player all time. Curry is a top role player all time.

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Spurstalk: Curry is better than Magic!! Curry is not a PG!!! Magic is better!!!

[DAF86]

What is ignorant is using metrics to compare different eras. And not understand Magic was precisely piling up the trip dubs while winning chips... It was efficient BB.
Again, nobody who knows BB put Curry in NBA history, like no freaking body... Ask people who really saw both play and everyone pick Magic as their PG. You're correct, that's not even a debate. Put both players in the other's era and Curry is a random shooter while Magic is still a superstar. And for good reasons... Talent.

Curry is a fantastic shooter but is limited in all other areas, he's pretty monolithic...There's one mlilion things Mgic was doing Curry couldn't, if only because of Magic size and strentgh. I mean comparig a legend who could play 1 to 5 and was piling up trip dubs while winning les to... a shooter shewing his stuff... *There's an alternate reality where Curry only has one le. And it's not like it's 1. Magic 2. curry. Not a PG but Bird was ofc above Curry as a player.

Not to mention players' aura, charisma and star power.. Eveybody loved Magic, for the uber talented player he was and how he was owning the game...I mean he had 10 Currys in every finger... No one will really talk about Steph in 10 years other than for the great shooter he was. He's pretty boring for that matter. Poeple sill remember Magic for his unique talent, and how he made people love BB all over the world... Curry has more haters than lovers.
Organize a dinner for ultimate NBA legends and Curry is not invited.

And yes, ofc I love Magic, everybody does, starting by Jordan who idolized him. Everybody wanted to be Magic as a player. Kids for sure but players in high scholl or College today don't idolize and all dream of being Steph.

You are too much of a fanboy to be objective about this, tbh.

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Johnson and Curry shouldn't be directly compared because of some silly label.

I stand to be corrected, but I'm pretty sure Nixon, Cooper and Scott primarily defended PG's throughout Johnson's career, yet somehow he's a "PG" and James is a "SF"?

Curry's true le is greatest small guard of all time, ahead of Paul and Stockton.

Still, he's joined Bryant as the most coddled/mythologized player in league history because he/Warriors have played the media game, he's non threatening to whites (which is why he receives a free pass for his antics) and casuals/kids alike find his style entertaining.

The reality is, he hasn't won anything notable without unprecedented opponent injury luck/Durant.

Agreed with this 100 percent. It also helps that he literally looks like he's 10 years old that when he does his antics like you said he's given a pass by whites.

[KobesAchilles]

Interesting debate between Magic and Steph. It’s all centered around the idea that Magic wouldn’t be able to survive todays game bc he can’t shoot the 3. Tbh Magic had many flaws on defense for opposing guards to take advantage of but in a series, the Lakers could easily match him on Draymond. Speaking of Draymond, he is about half of what Magic is offensively and is still vital for the Warriors to operate

Magic would be fine in this era. He was a true basketball player that could adapt to the game. If you needed fast break tempo, put magic in. If you want half court offense running to perfection, put Magic in. If you want tough physical play, Magic was perfect for it. And if you wanted the opposite, Magic was perfect for it

The only offense Magic couldn’t run is the one Curry plays. And that’s what makes this so fascinating. Teams guard Curry 35 feet away from the basket. It’s never been done before him. When KD was on Golden St, the cavs literal game plan was all focused on Steph, (this is from multiple sources) and they didn’t give a about KD. the infamous KD finals play where he stole the pass and ran the length of the court to dunk was made possible by Steph running with him and the cavs players literally went from guarding KD to both running to Steph at the 3 point line

Calling Steph a role player is stupid. He’s a 2x mvp and multiple first time all nba teamer. We’ve never seen anything like him and if I was starting a team, I would choose Steph over Magic. Magic couldn’t guard quick guards and Steph wouldn’t be able to guard Magic, but trading 3 for 2 sounds good to me. All time though career though? Magic is clearly ahead. It’s not even close

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Purists and Spurs fans love the low scoring. Casual fans loved the 115-110 games in the 1980’s. They tolerated the clamp-down defense and 87-75 scores in the 1990’s as long as Jordan was involved. Once he was gone, they stopped watching.

The Spurs played the perfect game for the 2000’s era. They could run with the Suns or grind it out with the Pistons. But international stars playing 82-77 games meant 6.3 Finals ratings. Even the first edition of the Beautiful Game Spurs in 2013 with all that offense was still playing lots of playoff games with scores in the 90s.

The NBA has had to keep ratcheting the restrictions on defense because defenses have kept getting more sophisticated. This is what it took to get back to the scoring levels of the 1980’s. They’ve taken it too far now — there are too many games in the 130’s. But the casual fans have kept tuning in. Neither Denver nor Miami is an ‘it’ team but the Finals ratings were decent.

there is truth to this, but it’s lacking the context of the death of the dominant post big man, and the proliferation of the 3 ball.

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Chet and Wama facing similar challenges when driving into traffic with NBA sorta level defenses.

He's a threat attacking closeouts but acknowledges that he's gotten himself into trouble this summer (11 turnovers) by driving into crowds too often.
"I've just got to get a feel again for when I should [attack off the dribble] and when I should get off the ball and make a play elsewhere," said Holmgren, who has averaged 13.7 points and 10.0 rebounds in the three games. "We have a great group of guys with a lot of different talents, and I feel like I can complement a lot of these dudes, and these dudes complement me as well."

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Curry

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Chet and Wama facing similar challenges when driving into traffic with NBA sorta level defenses.

He's a threat attacking closeouts but acknowledges that he's gotten himself into trouble this summer (11 turnovers) by driving into crowds too often.
"I've just got to get a feel again for when I should [attack off the dribble] and when I should get off the ball and make a play elsewhere," said Holmgren, who has averaged 13.7 points and 10.0 rebounds in the three games. "We have a great group of guys with a lot of different talents, and I feel like I can complement a lot of these dudes, and these dudes complement me as well."

"A man must know his limitations" - Clint

What a cool name... Clint. Who would think of that?

[TrainOfThought5]

Johnson and Curry shouldn't be directly compared because of some silly label.

I stand to be corrected, but I'm pretty sure Nixon, Cooper and Scott primarily defended PG's throughout Johnson's career, yet somehow he's a "PG" and James is a "SF"?

Curry's true le is greatest small guard of all time, ahead of Paul and Stockton.

Still, he's joined Bryant as the most coddled/mythologized player in league history because he/Warriors have played the media game, he's non threatening to whites (which is why he receives a free pass for his antics) and casuals/kids alike find his style entertaining.

The reality is, he hasn't won anything notable without unprecedented opponent injury luck/Durant.

you’ve got a point in regards to the cir stances of his rings, but NO athlete has control opponent injuries, and most have very little say in who their “help” is. It’s always championship or bust, and Curry has won it 4 times. Cir stances be damned

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Magic would have been fine in the current NBA. A lot of people are arguing he wouldn't have succeeded due to not having a 3-point shot but if you look at the year where he won his last MVP in 1990, he shot 38 percent from 3. I think Magic would have been able to shoot around 35-36 percent consistently from 3 which would have been good enough to succeed in this era.