Shams: Spurs Trade for Phoenix G Cam Payne

[TD 21]

If he improves this season then I’ll agree with you. Took Hornacek like 6 years to make an all star team and he was averaging 20ppg. Reaves only averaged 13ppg with injuries to scoring players. He had 1 good post season.

Again you’re not looking at the whole picture.

Thank god we didn’t offer him 100 million and be stuck with it.

Still relying on counting stats without context.

Reaves is one of the most valuable archetypes (3 and D combo guard with size) extant and provides elite efficiency.

If he wasn't in a weird spot contractually, he'd have easily commanded $100M (which isn't that much in today's league).

[BacktoBasics]

Still relying on counting stats without context.

Reaves is one of the most valuable archetypes (3 and D combo guard with size) extant and provides elite efficiency.

If he wasn't in a weird spot contractually, he'd have easily commanded $100M (which isn't that much in today's league).

Easily is a massive stretch.

He didn’t even average 30 minutes a game last season. I get the draw to him. His postseason was a nice leap.

I have a 100 dollar bet with another member here that he won’t average over 30 minutes a game next season. I’ll offer you the same bet.

Based on last season I don’t like Reaves at 100 million and we weren’t the only team that could have tossed out an offer.

He got market value. For his sake I hope he has a great season. I have no interest in him on our roster at 100 million.

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[cutewizard]

Payneeeeeeeeeeeeeee is here, hehehehehe

Paynetotbatot

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he has the SWAGGER lol

we are totally stackedddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd

oh god, Nibiru is here, hehehehe

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[MannyIsGod]

For those saying we should waive Cam Payne, the odds of Blake Wesley being better than Cam Payne over the next 4-5 years are not good. Being young is a reason to give players more time if you can, but not on its own. The player has to show adequate potential and it's debatable on whether or not Wesley has done that. There is an opportunity cost with keeping him and that should not be discounted so easily.

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[Extra Stout]

Time for the Cam Payne campaign

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Cameron {Payne >>>>>> THE LEFT HAND OF THE SPURSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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we shall give them pain, hehehehehehehe

[Dejounte]

we shall give them pain, hehehehehehehe

What the dude stop spamming

[Degoat]

I like Payne, it was a good addition but I think Devonte Graham is better imo

[BackHome]

Not a fan of Payne I would easily take Graham over him but that just me...

[tonight...you]

What the dude stop spamming

Lol. Cute's been doing this for years and years. Let 'em have their fun.
It's better than just being a toxic jerk (not saying that's you at all), which there are so many on this site.

[NickiRasgo]

Magic got unprotected 2026 FRP swap from Suns or Wizards in this trade.

[Chinook]

Magic got unprotected 2026 FRP swap from Suns or Wizards in this trade.

Most swaps are unprotected. We've really gotta stop using that modifier. It's just like how most second-round picks that are traded are unprotected but no one feels the need to say, "And the Spurs got a completely unprotected second-round pick from LAL as part of the deal".

Yes, that swap is unprotected, but it's a lower priority than Washington. So WSH gets the best pick of them and PHX, ORL gets the best of their pick and the worse of WSH/PHX, and PHX gets the worst of all three. For some reason, folks on RGM were saying Washington can't trade another swap for those years, but that doesn't seem true. We'll just see if anyone is willing to buy it at this point.

[Ariel]

Yes, that swap is unprotected, but it's a lower priority than Washington. So WSH gets the best pick of them and PHX, ORL gets the best of their pick and the worse of WSH/PHX, and PHX gets the worst of all three. For some reason, folks on RGM were saying Washington can't trade another swap for those years, but that doesn't seem true. We'll just see if anyone is willing to buy it at this point.

What the , since we're there, I'd call Phoenix and sell them like 5/6 2nd rounders for swap rights on every pick they own:
'24: lesser of own/WAS
'26: lesser of own/WAS/ORL
'28: lesser of own/WAS
'30: lesser of own/WAS
I'd say their future looks like crap after '26 and Washington isn't exactly a well run franchise, I'd like the Spurs future much better than theirs by then and even if you improve most picks by a few slots it'll be worth it. If they want to mortgage their house for another round at the casino, might as well put up an offer.

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Easily is a massive stretch.

He didn’t even average 30 minutes a game last season. I get the draw to him. His postseason was a nice leap.

I have a 100 dollar bet with another member here that he won’t average over 30 minutes a game next season. I’ll offer you the same bet.

Based on last season I don’t like Reaves at 100 million and we weren’t the only team that could have tossed out an offer.

He got market value. For his sake I hope he has a great season. I have no interest in him on our roster at 100 million.

To put it in perspective, off the top Poole got $125M (1 year younger) and Herro (2 years younger) got $120M last off season. Both are defensive liabilities who have never scored on league average efficiency.

He was in his 2nd season and rose to prominence as it wore on. I'll do you a favor and save your money for you.

The only reason he didn't get $98M is because other teams knew it'd be a waste of time.

[exstatic]

Magic got unprotected 2026 FRP swap from Suns or Wizards in this trade.

The problem with the derivative swap, second hand, is that you never get the best pick. Wizards get that, THEN Magic get the better of the second or third best picks.

[exstatic]

What the , since we're there, I'd call Phoenix and sell them like 5/6 2nd rounders for swap rights on every pick they own:
'24: lesser of own/WAS
'26: lesser of own/WAS/ORL
'28: lesser of own/WAS
'30: lesser of own/WAS
I'd say their future looks like crap after '26 and Washington isn't exactly a well run franchise, I'd like the Spurs future much better than theirs by then and even if you improve most picks by a few slots it'll be worth it. If they want to mortgage their house for another round at the casino, might as well put up an offer.

They didn’t swap a pick with Orlando, they swapped a swap. Of the three picks, WSH,PHO, or their own, they get the middle pick.

[redman112]

Lol. Cute's been doing this for years and years. Let 'em have their fun.
It's better than just being a toxic jerk (not saying that's you at all), which there are so many on this site.

haha he's been on steroids

[Ariel]

They didn’t swap a pick with Orlando, they swapped a swap. Of the three picks, WSH,PHO, or their own, they get the middle pick.

No. The first swap, with Washington, gives Phoenix the lesser of the two picks as payment for Beal. Then Phoenix sold swap rights to Orlando on the pick they get (the lesser of the 2 between Phoenix and Washington), so that Orlando gets the better between that one and their own. So Phoenix is guaranteed to get THE LESSER OF THE 3. Washington or Orlando may get the better or the one in the middle, depending on where they end up, they're just guaranteed to not get the worst of the 3. For instance, say this is the order before and after swaps take place:
1) Before: WAS, ORL, PHO - After: WAS, ORL, PHO (neither swap)
2) Before: ORL, WAS, PHO - After: ORL, WAS, PHO (neither swap)
3) Before: WAS, PHO, ORL - After: WAS, ORL, PHO (only ORL swaps)
4) Before: ORL, PHO, WAS - After: ORL, WAS, PHO (only WAS swaps)
5) Before: PHO, ORL, WAS - After: WAS, ORL, PHO (only WAS swaps)
6) Before: PHO, WAS, ORL - After: WAS, ORL, PHO (both swap)
Suppose every prior scenario is equally likely (unrealistic, but indulge me for the purpose of clarity):
Washington ends up with the better pick 2/3 of the time and the middle one 1/3 or the time
Orlando ends up with the better pick 1/3 of the time and the middle one 2/3 or the time
Phoenix always ends up with the worst pick.

[NickiRasgo]

Most swaps are unprotected. We've really gotta stop using that modifier. It's just like how most second-round picks that are traded are unprotected but no one feels the need to say, "And the Spurs got a completely unprotected second-round pick from LAL as part of the deal".

Yes, that swap is unprotected, but it's a lower priority than Washington. So WSH gets the best pick of them and PHX, ORL gets the best of their pick and the worse of WSH/PHX, and PHX gets the worst of all three. For some reason, folks on RGM were saying Washington can't trade another swap for those years, but that doesn't seem true. We'll just see if anyone is willing to buy it at this point.

The problem with the derivative swap, second hand, is that you never get the best pick. Wizards get that, THEN Magic get the better of the second or third best picks.

Thanks for clarification but that's quite complicated. lol Shows what the market now of SRPs esp. after the Spurs started doing it with the Mavs.