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    I supported and still support the original aid that was sent to Ukraine but we're at the point of diminishing returns on these massive contributions we're making. The counter-offensive is not going well and the jet fighters have become the almost mythical panacea, but the Pentagon clearly don't believe they really are.
    A pure prime example of why we permitted Russia to survive as WW2 wound down. The question was in that circa...should we take them out whilst we had everything right there? We chose to adopt Russia instead. Why waste them when we could use them for the next 100 years if not eternity as our resident boogeyman and our #1 reason to erect our Military Industrial Complex (MIC).

    Voila!!!

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    $20.6B - whatever it takes.

    Apparently, this Ukraine aid proposal only covers 3 months of spending. It's literally laughable how financially mismanaged the US is. US just got a credit rating downgrade but must be aiming for another.

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    It's not doing well but it's difficult to judge with accuracy just how badly because it's not really being traded on an open market -- these quotes are quite distorted.

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    Ce la vi

    Hater is ready to call Kupyansk


    The Russians will take Kupyansk in a few days.


    Calling it now....
    Hater calling it now, in third person to boot.

    Another kiss of death added to long list of bad hater predictions!!!!!

    C'est la vie



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    Apparently, this Ukraine aid proposal only covers 3 months of spending. It's literally laughable how financially mismanaged the US is. US just got a credit rating downgrade but must be aiming for another.
    Eh, the U.S. government 2022 federal budget, mandatory spending was budgeted at $4.018 trillion.

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    Russian fantasy:
    Russia claims complete control of Ukrainian airspace
    Defense Ministry says Berdyansk, Energodar cities, as well as Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant under Russian troops' control
    Elena Teslova | 28.02.2022 - Update : 28.02.2022

    The Russian Defense Ministry on Monday declared complete control of the Ukrainian airspace, claiming that its air force has destroyed about 20 more air defense system targets during ongoing operations.

    “Over the past day, the Russian Aerospace Forces have destroyed 8 Buk M-1 combat vehicles, S-300 and Buk M-1 air defense systems, 3 radio engineering positions with P-14 stations, 4 combat aircraft on the ground and one combat aircraft shot down in the air," Igor Konashenkov, the ministry spokesman, told a daily press briefing in Moscow.

    “Russian aviation has gained air supremacy over the entire territory of Ukraine,” Konashenkov claimed.
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    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/russia-ukra...rspace/2517960


    Russian reality:
    Ukraine Issues Warning to Moscow Residents: ‘Expect More, Daily Attacks’
    After another drone attack on Russia’s capital this morning, Ukrainian military intelligence told Kyiv Post there is a “certain justice” in how Moscow’s residents are feeling.
    by Maryna Shashkova, Chris York | August 11, 2023, 1:02 pm

    Kyiv has warned those living in Moscow to expect more attacks, adding the Russian capital’s air defenses appear incapable of protecting its citizens as the drone war between the two countries continues to escalate.

    After a dramatic increase in Ukrainian attacks in recent weeks, Andriy Yusov, spokesperson for Ukrainian military intelligence (HUR), told Kyiv Post, that the “the concept of security is increasingly distant from the residents of Moscow.”

    “He added: “The whole world continues to see that the Russian defense system and the country – which claims a leading role in the arms market – is ineffective, outdated, and cannot adequately respond to modern challenges.”

    Yusov said this is a symptom of President Putin’s leadership which “continues to lead to the degradation of the state management system.”
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    https://www.kyivpost.com/post/20440

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    Vistula is one of the Toughest captures in Europe.

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    "Then give RG & Effy a 12 incher-a-piece."

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    Eh, the U.S. government 2022 federal budget, mandatory spending was budgeted at $4.018 trillion.
    So… you’re agreeing with me that we’re financially mismanaged?

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    So… you’re agreeing with me that we’re financially mismanaged?
    Maybe, but the ROI on Ukraine spending makes it completely worth it. Putin isn't going to be able to do much of anything after this except die.

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    So… you’re agreeing with me that we’re financially mismanaged?
    There are issues with US spending, but with two competing parties making the decisions, it is expected. If I has the answers to those questions, I would not be wasting time on ST.

    However, the spending to support Ukraine to destroy our old nemesis is pennies on the dollar well worth it as it is pay back for all the crap owed and the increased power projection.

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    Ukraine!

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    Maybe, but the ROI on Ukraine spending makes it completely worth it. Putin isn't going to be able to do much of anything after this except die.
    Judging by the results so far of the counter-offensive, it seems to me we're at the point of massively diminishing returns on our investment. I mostly supported the original aid packages, with some exceptions, but this is just ridiculous. Fortunately, I think this next package is going to be scaled back in Congress quite a bit.

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    Judging by the results so far of the counter-offensive, it seems to me we're at the point of massively diminishing returns on our investment.
    That was the point all along so it would get us from supporting the war by proxy to being boots on the ground. We never needed to blow tons of tax dollars out in Ukraine if the powers to be didn't send Boris there to nix the peace deal. 's so stupid and such a waste!

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