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    Elliot said during the game that is was the Spurs coaches who were encouraging Victor to leak out on the break in that fashion. Seems it was/is part of the game plan.

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    they should definitely spend the year going mad scientist with stuff like that. wemby is a cheat code, so you can get away with some things that otherwise would not be sound

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    Wemby will be an all star in his first year.
    On the fan vote, yes.

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    Can we talk about Branham a bit?
    At this time of year we hear how so-and-so "had a great summer" and that's been said a lot about Malaki, but last night he looked great!
    The guy is an offensive machine, reminiscent of Rip Hamilton, and last night his defense was not too bad.
    He's got a real future. Link to Branham highlights from last night
    Great on offense definitely, gonna be a good pairing with Wemby + shooters and hope the coaching staff plans a pick & pop/roll scheme for Branham and Wemby + shooters around... dont think he's gonna be good to pair with Devin or pgs. I think Branham should go for the pg position or should have the ball on his hands a lot of the time if he's hot to keep the opponent's defense honest

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    Can we talk about Branham a bit?
    At this time of year we hear how so-and-so "had a great summer" and that's been said a lot about Malaki, but last night he looked great!
    The guy is an offensive machine, reminiscent of Rip Hamilton, and last night his defense was not too bad.
    He's got a real future. Link to Branham highlights from last night
    After watching him go to work in Summer League I had 0 doubts he’d keep Terminating ppl in preseason. Dude has skills that aren’t reliant on a system or a situation. Give him the ball and he can find a way to score. If we take a big step this year in wins he will be a huge part of the equation.

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    Such a fun game to watch.

    VICTOR…… what more can I say. Lmao.

    Branham, looked super smooth on offense and wasn’t totally trash defensively. If he can be like this all season that would be awesome.

    Wesley, had some great moments on defense and was overall pretty good on that end of the ball. Offensively he had a couple of good moments, but more bad ones. He has to figure out how to finish at the rim better. His mid range jumper looked decent this game though.

    super excited to see the progression of the guys this season.

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    Wemby's block of Jalen Williams really illustrated how different he his. Jalen and everybody watching thought Wemby'd been beaten on a blow by, only to still have the attempt at the basket rejected. That blow by would've been enough to beat any typical 6'11" center with a 7'3" wingspan-- even very good ones-- but it wasn't enough against Victor. This is why I can still see him spending some time as a SF, where by being in the midrange area his length can bother both three point shooters and players driving to the paint at the same time. Imagine if the Spurs eventually landed a legit top tier defensive rebounding center to cover the basket while Wemby played roaming free safety, blocking as many shots from behind as he does from the front-- it'd be an unprecendented defensive look.
    I was reading some comments about that block on reddit and some other places, because there seems to be an emphasis on that play as such a big deal. But the casuals see it as a normal block that happens nearly every game. Why is it so special?

    So anyone here that agrees that it was a normal block. It's the fact that Wemby didn't need to extend. It wasn't the last microsecond, how did he get back there moment. Those moments where you jump off your seat a pump her fist on the air with excitement. No Wemby just quietly got back and did a non explosive block. He didn't need to stretch out or jump through the roof of the building to get to.

    And that's why it's a big deal.

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    Anyone got a still grab of that insane steal Wemby pulled off?

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    Told ya'll you were sleeping on Bassey. Are we legit prepared for him to lead the team in Rebounds on about 18 mpg of playing time?

    To put Bassey's rebounding prowess in context, his Per36 total REB last season were 13.7, which place him 11th in the NBA if you include all non-qualifiers, and would have placed him 5th among qualifying players (had Bassey qualified). It wasn't a fluke either. His Per36 REB his rookie year in Philly was 13.3. You might be tempted to write these stats off due to limited sample size or limited minutes (though he did average 14.5 mpg in 35 games for us last year), but dude is a beast on the boards.

    It was interesting to hear Pop refer to Bassey as a Neophyte though, which is probably an indication of a lack of sound fundamental bball education he has received to date, because it's not like he just started playing. He was MVP of the Jordan Classic his Freshman year in HS, was one of the top recruits his entire HS career, and won plenty of accolades in college. My guess, however, is that he heavily relied upon his physical dominance and never had to truly learn the game - which he is doing now with the Spurs.

    As for Wesley, it was improved but his finishing around the rim was still so atrocious that its still hard to see him being able to move past a deep bench role. You can't consistently get stuffed at the rim like that and be left on the court.

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    So many folks have been touting Vassell's body building and how it will improve his shooting. After last nite Im still waiting. Gotta hit those shots if he expects to win some honors or even continue starting.

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    Told ya'll you were sleeping on Bassey. Are we legit prepared for him to lead the team in Rebounds on about 18 mpg of playing time?

    To put Bassey's rebounding prowess in context, his Per36 total REB last season were 13.7, which place him 11th in the NBA if you include all non-qualifiers, and would have placed him 5th among qualifying players (had Bassey qualified). It wasn't a fluke either. His Per36 REB his rookie year in Philly was 13.3. You might be tempted to write these stats off due to limited sample size or limited minutes (though he did average 14.5 mpg in 35 games for us last year), but dude is a beast on the boards.

    It was interesting to hear Pop refer to Bassey as a Neophyte though, which is probably an indication of a lack of sound fundamental bball education he has received to date, because it's not like he just started playing. He was MVP of the Jordan Classic his Freshman year in HS, was one of the top recruits his entire HS career, and won plenty of accolades in college. My guess, however, is that he heavily relied upon his physical dominance and never had to truly learn the game - which he is doing now with the Spurs.

    As for Wesley, it was improved but his finishing around the rim was still so atrocious that its still hard to see him being able to move past a deep bench role. You can't consistently get stuffed at the rim like that and be left on the court.
    his experience at St. Anthony's didn't help. For one, he was playing against inferior compe ion and then he lost out on his sop re season because he was deemed ineligible to play there.

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    I saw only hilights but it was best Wemby highlights I've seen.

    Looking forward to see him in full NBA game.

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    Anyone got a still grab of that insane steal Wemby pulled off?
    The one where he successfully swipes at a drive and ends up with a dunk? He tried that several more times and it did not work out well.

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    So many folks have been touting Vassell's body building and how it will improve his shooting. After last nite Im still waiting. Gotta hit those shots if he expects to win some honors or even continue starting.
    You were entertaining that doing curls and tricep dips would help someone's shooting? Why?

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    its going to be such a fun season

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    My initial thought on Wemby’s stats for the season were something along the lines of: 32 MPG 17 PPG 7 REB 3 AST 2.5 BLKS 1 STL 46% FG 31% 3PT 75% FT

    After seeing this and how confident his 3 ball looks and how many dunks he’s going to get by both leaking out & via put backs alongside his ability to draw fouls? I think he can legit put up 20 PPG in his rookie season if he plays 32MPG+

    So something like 20PPG 7 REB 3 AST 2.5 BLKS 1 STL

    I will still stick with my 17/7/3/2.5 but wont be surprised if he’s at 20 PPG

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    My initial thought on Wemby’s stats for the season were something along the lines of: 32 MPG 17 PPG 7 REB 3 AST 2.5 BLKS 1 STL 46% FG 31% 3PT 75% FT

    After seeing this and how confident his 3 ball looks and how many dunks he’s going to get by both leaking out & via put backs alongside his ability to draw fouls? I think he can legit put up 20 PPG in his rookie season if he plays 32MPG+

    So something like 20PPG 7 REB 3 AST 2.5 BLKS 1 STL

    I will still stick with my 17/7/3/2.5 but wont be surprised if he’s at 20 PPG
    I was around those numbers too, except for rbds I might have been a tad too generous for... I predicted 10+ but it could indeed be closer to 7/8, unless Pop clearly asks Vic to play closer to the rim.

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    I was around those numbers too, except for rbds I might have been a tad too generous for... I predicted 10+ but it could indeed be closer to 7/8, unless Pop clearly asks Vic to play closer to the rim.
    Seemed intentional having Wemby leaking out down the court on missed shots, but have to see if that holds and is the game plan or if that was just cir stantial via him running around the perimeter this game vs being more interior? But it was noticeable (hence the lower rebounding numbers this game) that he was really pushing to get down the court on misses and establish great position/advantages

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    IF they are going to play Wemby like that then you need Collins, Bassey, or someone like that to grab rebounds on the floor. KJ and Sochan are not going to get it done.

    Wemby spit the bit with turnovers and failed steal attempts in the second half. It seemed like he was trying to make every play and just failing.

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    he played all of 6 second half minutes. seemed like he was trying to push the envelope a little more in those minutes which likely was what the coaches told him to do.

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    he played all of 6 second half minutes. seemed like he was trying to push the envelope a little more in those minutes which likely was what the coaches told him to do.
    SO the coaches gave him the quick hook because he was doing what they told him to?

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    its the first preseason game...obviously the plan was to give him 6 minutes a quarter and rest the 4th lol.

    are you serious?

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    Strife between young rookie and coaching staff confirmed.

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    There's some merit to Wemby leaking out because the coaches told him to. But a couple of things.

    1) No playing on the perimeter doesn't give a player -- especially a power-forward -- carte blanche to not rebound. Getting the board is every player's responsibility. That goes double for the tallest players. Leaking out is good if the Spurs get the board, but if they give up offensive rebounds then not only are they having to play another possession but now they have their best defensive player 30 or 40 feet away from the basket. Like all types of gambles, they look great when they work out, and there are folks who are smarter about when to take them. But they're never NOT gambles, and they more they're used, the less net benefit they tend to have.

    2) Wemby's lack of rebounding isn't just a choice. His technique needs work. At his height, he's going to get a fair number of boards just by high-pointing the ball. But his lower-body action needs to be tightened up. While there is a range he can reach that basically no one else in the league can, within that mroe normal range he still stands a risk of losing important caroms. If he does his work early and holds his ground, Wemby should be able to basically secure half the rim's worth of bounces, if not more. But if he's taking false steps toward the other basket, getting caught behind his man, and getting pushed off his spot, he's going to end up either letting smaller dudes rack in boards on him or get called for quite a few over-the-back calls trying to rely on his height and length.

    I'm probably going to stop saying this after this post, but talking about what Wemby needs to do or what I hope Wemby develops is not hating on him or whatever. He's obviously a generational talent and is playing well beyond reasonable expectations in a number of ways. But he still has a way to go, and there is a chance he doesn't improve enough on some facets, especially while he's young. No one's panicking or doom-saying. But there are definitely holes in his game right now which probably puts a ceiling on how much his performance will help the team get wins this season. Maybe that doesn't matter, but it's been a matter of discussion for a few months.

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    can anybody point to an example where he leaked out in a situation that the team did not already have position to secure the rebound

    maybe it happened...idk. but from my observations he picked situations to leak out where the team had the rebound secured and he would be able to receive the pass from a team mate.

    sure he could crash every single time regardless and get the rebound because he's a foot taller than everyone but why do that if he can use his physical tools to turn the rebound into points.

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