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sure but not the right one
Victor and Manu would be absolutely ridiculousNow imagine Victor playing with the likes of Tony and Manu
sure but not the right one
Tre played out of his mind and put up nearly the same numbers against backups as Sochan did against Kyrie Irving and Luka Doncic. Sochan is 20, Tre is 24. Sochan is playing in the right position, and he's dong fine.
Honestly, it's a ing embarrassment that you guys pick the Spurs to win 27 games and then freak out when they don't dominate right out of the gate in a game where Vic was in foul trouble. This isn't Matt Bonner starting at center for two years, for God's sake.
Until Victor plays a full season, Sochan is the best Spurs rookie since Timmy. He's played three games this year, and the Spurs have put up over 40 points in the first quarter of two of them. And he isn't even in game shape yet. Neither is Victor, for that matter. The offense has not even had a chance to figure out what it is.
You should see the dumb Facebook "fan page" that the Spurs forced on people to watch the Black & White Scrimmage.
Those people went into full fall-out mode after the first game of the season...a game where the Spurs competed despite Wemby's foul trouble, and got beat in the last two minutes by Luka doing Luka things.
They are already ready to fire Pop, trade Wemby, and start over. One of them insisted McDermott should get more minutes because "he is a veteran who plays good defense"
Stay the course…
applaud pop for trying new …
stop pining for “traditional pg” in a new league where everyone is a playmaker
and
stay the course - it will work and the starting five length will bother a lot of teams
Apparently some of those guys post here.You should see the dumb Facebook "fan page" that the Spurs forced on people to watch the Black & White Scrimmage.
Those people went into full fall-out mode after the first game of the season...a game where the Spurs competed despite Wemby's foul trouble, and got beat in the last two minutes by Luka doing Luka things.
They are already ready to fire Pop, trade Wemby, and start over. One of them insisted McDermott should get more minutes because "he is a veteran who plays good defense"
Sochan would be the backup SF/PF. He will have plenty of minutes available especially with Wembanyama playing some C too.
The biggest drawback at Sochan at PG is that it hurts the quality of Spurs' offense. I don't care if Spurs win or lose games. Winning 25, 30 or 35 games this season isn't important. What is important is playing a good basketball that will allow players to grow. What's better for Wembanyama, Tre Jones or Sochan at PG? Who will set him up the best?
Spurs might not win more games with Tre Jones as starting PG, because he is a limited player, but they will play the right way with him, which will help players development.
Yes, but while they give Wemby time to figure things out on his own while giving him some freedom, I think they are ok with also letting Sochan figure out trying to be point guard, in part to see if he will rise to the challenge. And point guard might be the wrong term. Ultimately I think they realize that star players have to learn how to play on ball and simultaneously while letting Wemby experiment they are letting Sochan prove himself.
That's not unreasonable.
Thinking that a 10.3 PER is “nearly the same” as a 28.1 PER is wild, but I guess that’s the effect of the vaunted Luka/Kyrie defense.
Pop sees something and you know he is gonna let it play out. Yes the offensive side has things to work out but I think Pop sees potential there but these are young kids and pop has the patience to see it all through. I think the kicker is on defense where Pop sees a 6' 9' point guard that could switch onto anyone on defense.
yes, these disrespectful gentlemen have been complaining all offseason that the Spurs have a very weak roster, the worst starting point guard in the league, and the team won’t even win 30 games
but then the game starts and these surprised scrubs again start whining and hysterical, remembering Forbes in the starting five, etc
and this will continue for another 81 games
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I also think Tre at PG would have been better to finish the game but let sochan playing in this position for 10-15 games and then we'll see. It's hard to judge something definitively after one game.
I mean I don’t think it’s hypocritical to look at a person and say they can’t do a particular job well. Everyone on here is clamoring that Sochan will be fine as a PG but really what evidence is there of that? But really it’s the small things that win games and I’m disappointed that fans can watch the Big 3 era and not see that.
How many times did the Spurs have close games against subpar teams but you weren’t worried bc you knew to close out the quarter they would out execute everybody? Too many times. It’s not like we blew out every bad team. A lot of times we were down and it was a 7 point game to start the 4th am I would think to myself we got this game in the bag.
Being close to winning games is nice but seeing the same stupid mistakes as last year isn’t. To close out quarters we were outscored like 23-0. And that’s what I’m talking about. It takes brains to win games and this team didn’t showcase that last night and hasn’t don’t that for a very long time.
No ok, we are still young you say. We still need to learn how to win you say. Everybody is getting used to their role you say. Well they better learn to pass the ing ball to Wemby, their role is to support him, and how to win is to set him up and let him go to work. This game would be like if Duncan scored 9 straight in the 4th, and Antonio Daniels and Derrick Anderson iced him out. Pop would be all over the team for that and honestly so should the fans
Sochan is NOT a PG period. Put Tre back where he belongs. LMAO.........Sochan a PG. Just because someone can handle the ball does not make em a floor general.
LOL, at all of the pearl clutching at the very beginning of WHAT WAS STATED AS AN EXPERIMENTAL SEASON BEFORE TRAING CAMP.
Gary Payton, Chauncey Billups, Dejounte Murray , Mark Price were all pretty bad when they started off, and Harden was a full on SG. Even Parker took years to become an actual PG. Payton was marked down as a bust after season 1, Billups sucked until he hit Detroit. Not saying Sochan could be a PG as good as those, but the point is PG is a tough role to play, and even the great ones get off the gates stumbling. Not everyone is a natural like Magic, Stockton or Kidd.
Will Sochan ever become a competent PG? I don't know, but to ditch the growth of Sochan and cap the potential of the team after a few games because of Tre Jones (I love his game actually, but we have seen the ceiling, or close to it) just lacks foresight.
The Spurs this year will not go all out, the front office is pretty clear about it. It's all about growth and learning, and if they win a few games along the way, great.
Nah. He’ll be there until the spurs draft the PG of the future (Collier?). Then they’ll move him to the 3 and trade Keldon.
Terrible examples. All of those guys were PG or combo guards, with varying degrees of on-ball chops.
Play him at PG but close halves and 4th quarter with Tre at PG.
PG-Tre
SG- Devin
SF- Keldon
PF-Sochon
C- Wemby
Agree with this. I actually don't rate Keldon at all (and I grow sick of his always flexing and yelling and screaming and shouting aargh I wish he'd shut his mouth) but his stats may net us a decent player or draft pick in a trade.
Sochan isn't a PG but he could be a better SF than Bowen soon enough. Hopefully we can draft Wemby's PG running mate in the next few off seasons cause that PG isn't on the roster.
As I mentioned in another thread, I think Sochan has some potential as a screener from the PG position. The Spurs can use him to get Wemby and Vassell open, while potentially giving them a favorable switch. You won't see this much if you don't call plays to get that action going, but Jeremy may well be the most natural screener in the rotation. It's not as flashy as playing one of the more traditional archetypes, but it's a unique trait he can add over Jones and might help more than his passing can do alone.
The great thing about basketball is that it's ever evolving. If anyone five years ago had proposed making an unathletic 6'11" 270 lb center the de facto point guard/point center of a team, they would've been laughed off of every NBA chat board on the planet... but the Nuggets did just that and now they're the defending champs. It still holds true that 90+% of the time a point center probably isn't the best strategy, but in this one instance, it definitely was. Wemby might be as much of an outlier as Jokic, so it will take a little bit of time to see what works best.
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Let's hold judgment on Sochan playing point guard until the end of the season. He's going to struggle at first since he is probably playing point guard for the first time in his life. Let's see where he is at 3/4th of the season. No rush.
Draymond, Bam, Jokic, Giannis. They all started off as spotty passers in their careers. They didn't necessary became PGs, but they are the central points of the offence using their height as an advantage. Giannis and Jokic are likely models for Wemby's growth, but the point is none of them were born with PG skills to direct the offence early in their careers either, but they were all given opportunities and improved drastically over their careers.
Murray could barely dribble when he came into the league, look at him now. Not sure why them being guards had anything to do with this? If (and admittedly a big if) Sochan makes the transition, wouldn't that then make him a guard?
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