Reply With Quote
Sochan you mean the dude who went to one handed free throws to try to fix his broken shot?
Him losing his confidence bc he's struggling to run point ... not a worry imo
I know Pop's gotta be worried about shattering Sochan's confidence by sending him to the bench after a good rookie season, but making him play a position he can't succeed in will be way worse for it.
Sochan you mean the dude who went to one handed free throws to try to fix his broken shot?
Him losing his confidence bc he's struggling to run point ... not a worry imo
Sochan will be fine. Not sure his future is really at PG. He is only doing that because Wemby is the 4 and Pop wants the starting lineup together since for now it is the future of the team.
Much more concerned with 3 of our 4 bigs starting leaving Bassey as the only backup big and playing osman or mcdermott at the 4. Yuck.
im not worried about him generally. he's just being asked to do something he's not equipped to do. the main part that concerns me is his defensive impact. not sure where he's supposed to excel there. what archetype player is he supposed to be a good defensive matchup against?
he does enough of the little things on offense to be useful, like we saw last year. a post up here, a cut/dunk/lob there, a midrange jumper here, a nice pocket pass there. but doing enough to be viable on the floor offensively
a) is fine as long as you are also an impact defender
b) doesnt mean that he should be thrust into the role of the primary offensive initiator
Poor mans Ime Udoka?
Its on Pop to make him believe hes an nba player. He should be in China making some dough
Thanks Captain Obvious. Sure, if you're gonna return something substantial then you never say never. But the talk is stupid considering he isn't at a level where you're gonna get a return that matches the potential... especially playing him out of position.
I don't see a lot of potential packages that would justify moving him. Certainly not if its a package that requires any amount of sacrifice on our end.
If Sochan is playing the 3 or 4 this season we don't have this thread. Absolutely, this experiment is tough to watch when you got a player that can hold down the PG spot relatively efficiently in Tre but this thread and that kind of talk is nothing more than typical ST sky is falling nonsense. I'd rather watch Sochan at point than cringe through these posts.
that's all
he will request a trade before the end of the season
the whole team must crawl on their knees and ask for forgiveness
The guy cant ing shoot for
Doesnt have the hops of lateral mobility either
And hes mediocre at D at best
So at the 3 or 4 doesnt matter. Dude is a zero
Right, of course. Sochan needs to be the backup PF behind Wemby. And with the way Pop is handling Wemby, Sochan would probably get more playing time than Wemby by being the backup PF, just by the way.
So far, with Sochan at PG, it’s looking like the Spurs weren’t satisfied with having the NBA’s worst defense last season, they want to have the worst offense, too.
Since the requirement of Pop since having to roll the ball out to Parker while Timmy Duncan served as Player Coach of his era, here are Poppeds point guard accomplishments:
Enrique Ballhog Porker
Patty w Bryn Bryn
Primo forced out of position (see a theme here?). Look we now know that Primo had off the court issues. That withstanding, he is another who had some off ball skills that were being choked out by forcing him at PG.
Sochan
Spurs need a better ending here.
A big problem with this experiment is that I’ve yet to see even a stretch of a few possessions where you can see the flash of potential and make you say “okay… I see where this could go”. Even the 43pt first Q against the Mavs didn’t produce this, at least from the POV of Sochan and PG.
Maybe it’s coming… but it’s hard to buy into this Sochan PG fantasy without any real glimpse into what the ultimate payoff might be.
They think/thought:
Zack would defend the paint and rebound
Wemby would score from all over, get unconventional blocks
Keldon would drive and score, drive and kick, shoot threes, get a handful of assists
Devin would make lots of jumpers even when contested
Sochan would pass like Zack does, score inside, occasionally hit threes
The problem is, only one of the guys is doing the thing the office thought they would be good at. And none of them are great defenders.
Vassell, Collins, and Wemby can all shoot the three.
Tre Jones is also shooting a higher percentage than Keldon right now, albeit on lower volume.
I know the starting unit always needs shooting, but you can't just break everything else because one guy is a marginally better shooter and frankly I don't see any way Pop and Co bring Sochan off the bench.
It's between Keldon or Jones and Tre is better at running the team.
Crazy huh. You'd think playing the guy wildly out of position would translate better
I know it's been 3 games but 7% from 3 so far tbh
Wemby < 25%
There's a difference between shooting the 3 and having nba defenses respect it tbh. The Spurs have 1.5 credible 3pt shooters so far in the SL IMO.
he's too trigger happy with them, especially the ones in transition as the trailer. and aside from just filtering out the objectively bad shots, even in the half court, i dont think he needs to be looking at the 3 point shot as the shot he wants to get. but sure, if the shot clock is getting to that territory, him picking and popping for 3 is a perfectly ok outcome.
might be an unpopular opinion, but i think he has to keep shooting them. if he's playing alongside victor, he's going to get a lot of those looks, and if defenses start having to respect it more, it will free victor up closer to the rim as well. once he starts passing those shots up, then theres a legitimate question of why he's in that lineup. if you just wanted a center to do the other stuff, they could always just play bassey
he's still passing the ball well, and he's made 13 of his 18 two point attempts this year. so really its been the outside shooting thats been killing him offensively, and frankly, they've been very high quality looks. its not like he's forcing up bad looks off the dribble over contests
defensively its been a different story. i never bought into the "look heres this stat showing he's actually secretly an elite rim protector" stuff but he's basically being targeted down low. cant be letting zubac get 16 and 8 in 22 minutes
I'm fine with him shooting those if they're sagging off but he's firing them like he's prime Steph
Need to rewatch the possessions but I'm not sure if he's even making what should be the primary read of getting it down to Victor in the paint.
I think Sochan's height made it interesting to start, as if he could more easy hit Wemby. This is not the case and Tre is much better at getting it to Wemby. Sometimes it was just strange he didn't pass the ball to Wemby.
yup..we are gonna have to keep an eye on that the next few games..
there was at least one from yesterday's game (or might have been houston, cant recall) where vic was calling for the ball in the paint at the same time, but i dont really remember seeing any of collins attempts thinking the shot selection was really an issue. ive had less of an issue with collins' 3pt shot selection than wemby's tbhI'm fine with him shooting those if they're sagging off but he's firing them like he's prime Steph
Need to rewatch the possessions but I'm not sure if he's even making what should be the primary read of getting it down to Victor in the paint.
obviously when you are making 1/15 everything is going to look and feel awful
but zollins taking five 3's per game is probably about the target number anyway. he was shooting 4.4 per game last year post-break in 28mpg, and he's playing 32mpg now
when is the last time you see a pro player not know where to throw an inbound pass.. jr high skill for a point guard..
I haven't been watching Sochan super closely, no surprise I watch Wemby most of the game.
My whole problem with Sochan at Point is - are there any flashes of greatness??
I could understand if Sochan had an amazing pass 1x/game, or occasionally locked down the opposite point guard with his excessive length. Then I'd agree with Pop to spend more development time here.
Am I missing these plays??
If you are, I am too, and I’ve watched all the games. I haven’t seen that point guard “flash” yet. Maybe I blinked.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
