2023-2024 NBA trade deadline

[Obstructed_View]

He's back playing off the bench. I suppose the Pistons places I had checked out has nothing better to do than speculate.

Aren't he and Wesley buddies? I remember before the draft the two of them were talking about being one-and-done as though it was the pinnacle of your basketball career.

[TD 21]

Ivey is a shooting guard, tho. He played 64% of the time at SG last year, and so far this year he’s been at SG 72% of the time. He’s spent most of the rest of the time this year at SF for them.

When Caruso was with the Fakers in ’20-21 he played 100% of the time at PG. By the way.

Caruso, cost? His contract is $2.5 million less than the Spurs are paying Graham. It’s nothing (in this NBA.)

He's a combo guard (designation/role is often a function of roster construction), but has lead guard potential (the days of traditional PG's are mostly over), which means a primary ball handler who can break down the defense and bring two to the ball either via pull-up 3-point shooting or rim pressure.

Especially when you have an all world big (see Murray and Maxey). The Spurs don't need a souped-up Jones when Wembanyama, Vassell and Sochan will all have various degrees of ball handling responsibilities going forward.

Wrong. James and Rondo were the Lakers lead guards, even though the former defends forwards and by cost, I mean in terms of asset(s).

[exstatic]

DDR and Caruso for Johnson and chi 1st? Lavine is on 40mil making and they will want more picks.

DDR needs the ball to be effective, and that would stunt Wemby’s growth. Hard pass.

[tbdog]

Come do think of it, I would pass on DDR. But man I would welcome his passing.

[J_Paco]

I would love one of Cason Wallace, Cole Anthony, Aaron Nemhard, or Markelle Fultz (although Fultz might be too much of a financial investment, currently), but not at the expense of our (own) first-round pick.

This upcoming class isn't as good (on paper) as '23, but there are a bunch intriguing wing & guard prospects, IMO.

[exstatic]

I would love either Cason Wallace, Cole Anthony, Aaron Nemhard, or Markelle Fultz (although Fultz might be too much of a financial investment, currently), but not a the expense of in any way losing our own first-round pick.

This upcoming class isn't as good (on paper) as '23, but there are a bunch intriguing wing & guard prospects, IMO.

OKC gave up assets to move up for Wallace. They’re not trading him to us. The other three guys are journeymen.

You can’t judge a class this early. In fact, you can’t judge a class for like 3 years after it’s drafted.

[hoopdreams11]

please take Sochan out he’s lost on defense an offense

[hoopdreams11]

this point guard experiment is demoralizing the team nobody is running back

[J_Paco]

OKC gave up assets to move up for Wallace. They’re not trading him to us. The other three guys are journeymen.

You can’t judge a class this early. In fact, you can’t judge a class for like 3 years after it’s drafted.

Well, I think any of those three 'journeymen' (don't you have to play on multiple teams before you can be called that?) could do a better job of running an offense and getting Wemby the ball than the we are seeing.

And I did mention that I wouldn't acquire any if it meant giving up a first - round pick, so in essence we'd still be able to acquire a 'better' PG prospect.

[Mugen]

DDR needs the ball to be effective, and that would stunt Wemby’s growth. Hard pass.

You know what else stunt's Wemby's growth?

[scott]

It will be curious how long Brian Wright and the rest of the FO tolerate the "we're just gonna see what happens" year. Wright may not have the political capital, but he should pull a Billy Beane in Moneyball and force more effort out of the coaching staff by just trading away all of the pet cats. Can't play Sochan at PG if he plays for another team.

[JeffDuncan]

He's a combo guard …

Ivey is a shooting guard.

When I wrote that Caruso played 100% of the time at PG that is a fact, whether you like it or not.

Caruso’ contract is $9.5 million, it is not expensive.

Let’s have an honest discussion, if you want to talk about this.

[JeffDuncan]

It will be curious how long Brian Wright and the rest of the FO tolerate the "we're just gonna see what happens" year. Wright may not have the political capital, but he should pull a Billy Beane in Moneyball and force more effort out of the coaching staff by just trading away all of the pet cats. Can't play Sochan at PG if he plays for another team.

Pin your hopes on Wright? Forget that. It’s much easier to get rid of him than Pop, and he knows it.

[FutureMan]

CHI: Graham, Welsey, & picks
SAS: Caruso & Carter

I keep coming back to Tyus Jones but both Caruso & Carter are under contract for next year so that helps with giving up picks.

[TD 21]

Ivey is a shooting guard.

When I wrote that Caruso played 100% of the time at PG that is a fact, whether you like it or not.

Caruso’ contract is $9.5 million, it is not expensive.

Let’s have an honest discussion, if you want to talk about this.

Wrong.

Who cares about some label? He's not much of a creator. Ivey has the potential to be, even if he's not a great playmaker.

Again, relatively expensive in terms of assets the Spurs would have to give up.

[benefactor]

You know what else stunt's Wemby's growth?

Gregg Charles Popovich

[tbdog]

Man. We need a pg and have Sochan and Wemby play their correct positions.

[scott]

Wrong.

Who cares about some label? He's not much of a creator. Ivey has the potential to be, even if he's not a great playmaker.

Again, relatively expensive in terms of assets the Spurs would have to give up.

exactly, it’s dumb to be locked into thinking in terms of traditional positions. Primary Ball Handler, Wing, Big, etc. are better descriptors. Ivey and Vassell may both play SG at times, for example, but the two are completely different players and archetypes. Ivey is a primary ball handler archetype, whereas Vassell is a wing.

You can get even more specific with this line of thinking: https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1974726

Ivey pretty clearly would be a nice fit on this team. Whether he would be a good player or not, is yet to be seen.

[Dverde]

McNuggets is going to be another buy out. Spurs are not doing any trades for roster upgrades.

[BacktoBasics]

McNuggets is going to be another buy out. Spurs are not doing any trades for roster upgrades.

Where do you people come up with this . I’d bet my life this team doesn’t buy out Doug. It’s simply not happening. Period.

[buttsR4rebounding]

DDR needs the ball to be effective, and that would stunt Wemby’s growth. Hard pass.

What growth?

[JeffDuncan]

Wrong.

Who cares about some label? He's not much of a creator. Ivey has the potential to be, even if he's not a great playmaker.

Again, relatively expensive in terms of assets the Spurs would have to give up.

Wrong.

Get off it. Ivey is a shooting guard.

“Potential,” great. Another one with potential. A bucket of potential and $5 will buy a cup of coffee.

[JeffDuncan]

Ivey pretty clearly would be a nice fit on this team. Whether he would be a good player or not, is yet to be seen.

Sure, another young player with potential who’s a lousy defender would fit the Spurs perfectly exactly as they are, especially when the team needs a point guard and he isn’t one. Great choice.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Aging well doesn’t matter. The objective is near term, no more than four years. For now Caruso could start and be better than what the Spurs are doing. When the Spurs draft the fancy young point guard they hope for, Caruso could mentor him, especially about playing defense in the NBA, as the kid develops into a starter.

That plan would require giving Caruso one 2-year contract beyond his current deal. Wemby would be 23 then, and the theoretical kid, 22 or 23. And with any luck, they’d be ready for the big time.

As for Caruso not really being a lead guard, he’s a uva lot closer to that than Sochan is, and anyway, are we suddenly worried about winning this year? When did that happen?
Of course Caruso won’t be the Spurs point guard 5 years from now, but that has nothing to do with anything.

if Pop wanted a point guard in the starting lineup, then Tre would start
it is obvious that he only wants to see Sochan in this position now
and bringing in a veteran role player won't change that

[tim_duncan_fan]

Much as things suck right now. Be very mindful in talking of getting rid of picks.

Much as things suck right now, Vic still has some growing and learning before we are talking serious contention anyway, so we don't need to get middling returns on pick stock just because we want to win 45 games this year for some reason.

We should be losing, technically, just not looking extremely stupid as we lose.