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Makes sense to "not compete" this season. Next year, Wemby has had a full NBA season and FO knows what kind of team they want around him
He seems a great fit for the position, it is very obvious why pop is doing this. No he will never be chris paul in handles, but those are the most overrated skill in basketball anyway. He has a lot to improve, but he has been milking his size advantage in the post for a while now. At pf it was a very low upside position, like it or not.
Makes sense to "not compete" this season. Next year, Wemby has had a full NBA season and FO knows what kind of team they want around him
Pops just keeping his ass in the starting lineup. Sochan needs to chill with all the moping
In his interview with Tony, Manu says the FO is thinking 3 years before they seriously compete.
I love this old interview, especially now that Jeremy is playing the PG role that TP did. As TP said, there will be ups and downs and I’m sure Jeremy is experiencing it. But as TP kept emphasizing, it’s a process. I’m hoping Jeremy keeps remembering that, and that Pop was tough on TP but made him better, a 4 times champion and a HOFer. Keep pounding the rock!
Attempting something many think is impossible, while playing at the highest level and dealing with bouts of frustration seems pretty natural. Persisting and working hard with a good at ude is fairly admirable.
i agree with a lot of this, though im not sure that scaling back the sochan PG experiment would suddenly mean we win significantly more games. would make a better product, though, and imo would do more to develop young players if the offense they were in had more direction and was run more like a professional offense. right now it just ends up being a lot of dribble handoffs that go nowhere until the clock starts winding down. im not sure who thats meant to help
You know, this struck me as wrong when I first read it, and now I can express why.
The purpose of experiments is to learn things by testing them. However, if you don't control your other variables well enough in an experiment, you can't tell anything from the results. That is where PG Sochan fails as an experiment. Sochan is bad enough at PG (right now at least), that it doesn't let you get relevant data about what Wemby's real capabilities project to be. Asking a big man to operate without a competent PG will make even HoF big men look bad...
I agree with you Dex. Experimenting for what? There's no purpose, because I can guarantee that this group that Pop's currently running out there won't ever be competing for a championship, and won't be the roster we see in a year or two. Experiment by bringing in guys who can actually run the offense. Experiment by working on ways to maximize Wemby. Experiment by finding guys who embrace the new face of the team. The focus needs to be building the team around Wemby, not developing guys to play out of position so "hopefully" we can be good enough for the play-in tournament in a couple of years. Time to get tough, and it feels like we're still willing to hold people's hands and say "losing by 40 is ok, here's your $6million paycheck. Good try!"
You draft the franchise player and the formula changes. Pop's stuck in the 5 year re-build mentality. News flash...game has changed by winning the Wemby lottery. Time to step it up. A gap year is equal to a lost year. Meaningless. Wemby wants to play games that matter, not fvck around playing grab-ass with a bunch of fvck faces who can barely get the ball up court. He's hating this, starting to already force sh!t. Get him some mentors. Add some vets. Get some guys who can think out there. Not rookies who've never faced a tough situation in the NBA. Don't leave Wemby on an island. The island of misfit Spurs.
If you ask Wemby, he'd absolutely say he doesn't want his rookie year to be a year the team just messed around and didn't care about winning.
The primary focus of this season should be developing Wemby so we know how we can better build around him... Playing Sohan at PG... a dude that has no actual PG skills, significantly hinders Wemby's development... And can have an effect on whether or not he wants to stay in a few years
Spurs fans (myself included) got spoiled by 20+ years of greatness.
These past few years are the news flash. That doesn't come easily. Just saying FIRE POP doesn't fix all of our current problems, but everyone is looking for easy answers.
I'd love for this team to be playing better, but this is the cold reality of rebuilds being difficult...even after adding a #1 pick.
We aren't adding a Tim Duncan to a David Robinson. We are adding a Victor Wembenyama to a....Devin Vassel, I guess? Who hasn't really proven anything
I can and will continue to about this because that's what this forum is for, but people need to calm down and realize we are still in the very beginning of what will be a 3-5 years process
Sochan still better at running point than Dejounte was at the same stage, and Dejounte was older and had more experienced teammates.
The one thing he does that must drive Pop absolutely crazy is leaving his feet to pass. He also picks up his dribble when he shouldn’t. DJ did that, too, early on,so it’s something that can be fixed.
If it wouldn't result in his immediate firing, what Brian Wright should do is walk into Pop's office, Billy Beane style, and say "you aren't going to start Sochan at PG anymore."
"The I'm not!" retorts Pop.
"You can't start Sochan at PG anymore because I just traded him to Philly."
"What the ! I'll start Keldon at PG then!"
"You can't do that either, because I just traded him to Detroit."
Instead of watching the Spurs lose again this afternoon I'll just watch Moneyball instead.
Pop is doing the playthrough for the upteenth time. He's opened the developer console and entered some random codes to see what happens.
The difference is Murray actually played PG his entire life... Jeremy didn't... We need to accept that not everyone can be a PG... sometimes we need to let a PF be a PF and let a PG be a PG...
Murray couldn’t even dribble when he got here. He played SF as a rookie so he could get on the court.
https://www.basketball-reference.com...1/lineups/2017
Murray didn't play any substantial minutes at any position that wasn't PG or "PG" next to Manu. He played substantial minutes next to Mills and Forbes his second season. I guess if you want to argue Manu and Mills were the guards, then Murray played SF for part of that season. Seeing as Manu played small-forward with relative frequency, I wouldn't make that assumption.
I'm not going to get into Sochan at PG at this point. Sochan vs Jones basically Poke vs Clarke in a different form -- it's about whether the Spurs should take long odds hoping for a big payout or make the play for the high-floor guy with a visible ceiling. I think we know where each other stands on that.
You're making my case for me. Murray had every advantage, and Sochan is still further along than Murray was. But you guys all over Murray every time he made a mistake too. Perhaps I should stop being surprised that Spurfan seems to need a villain to heap all the blame on, logic be damned.
Can we all agree that if developing Sochan at PG negatively affects Wemby’s development, ITS ING STUPID????
It is not even assured that Sochan will eventually be "developed" at PG.
It might be we can't even trade Sochan for a bag of chips and Wemby just force a trade.
It might be we can't even trade Sochan for a bag of chips and Wemby just force a trade.sooo true. Sochan ain't ever gonna be a PG, it's not hate. He's just not that type of mindset. He's someone who should be running around off the ball trying to set screens and get open for dunks, not the other side of the equation.
well if you start with that assumption... but it could actually be good in that he doesn't become strictly a pick an roll player and coast the rest of his career. Of course, if he never exploits his massive pick and roll advantage, that's not good either.
Good for HIM (sochan), yeah sure! But he's not the focus of development by a long shot, Wemby is?
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