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    how dumb can a human be?
    A 50 year old who’s always injured, 3 players out of position and no spacing. What could go wrong?

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    how dumb can a human be?
    A 50 year old who’s always injured, 3 players out of position and no spacing. What could go wrong?
    you can easily stagger wemby & capela, especially with wemby's minutes restrictions. you can have siakam @ the 4 & wemby @ the 5 whenever you want.

    capela was also best with cp3 so he'd get an offensive boost being reunited with him.

    the team would be a defensive juggernaut & the best spurs team since healthy kawhi in the playoffs vs the warriors.
    contender? no. a huge step in the right direction by winning games to keep wemby happy via with contracts that don't tie you down? YES.

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    contender? no. a huge step in the right direction by winning games to keep wemby happy via with contracts that don't tie you down? YES.
    yeah burn all your assets on washed up players 30 and over whose contracts expire in the offseason where no good free agents are available. in genius

    You're not winning games with a bunch of non-shooters, 3 players playing out of position and a slow PG and C who can't guard the pick & roll. It's like having to explain basketball to a 5-year old.

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    yeah burn all your assets on washed up players 30 and over whose contracts expire in the offseason where no good free agents are available. in genius
    oh right, because the spurs are a magnet for all the good free agents?

    You're not winning games with a bunch of non-shooters, 3 players playing out of position and a slow PG and C who can't guard the pick & roll. It's like having to explain basketball to a 5-year old.
    you win a TON more games than the spurs are winning now. and again, this is about keeping wemby happy--which is the most important thing. he's not sticking around as long as david did being neglected of surrounding talent. even duncan leaves if he hadn't won early / if doc rivers didn't say family couldn't ride on team flights.

    ALSO even if my trade is such a disaster (which it isn't), the spurs still keep all their own draft picks in the trade i proposed

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    if trading keldon means no more hearing his stupid and1s... then do it

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    i did. you called the proposed offer more expensive than what we got for him

    it's not
    Of course it is, it’s not because you keep ting on these players that their objective value is reduced.

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    They would ask for that 27 pick back and maybe that 26 swap. Lets them avoid the doomsday scenario if Trae leaves. It has more value to them than to us. Would not do this trade but at least the FO knows DJ inside out minimize the risk that there is friction in the locker room.

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    Murray back here would be a MONUMENTAL mistake... He CLEARLY didn't like being here, especially when u saw his tweets throwing shade... On top of that he will not only leave as soon as he can, but he may poison Wemby's mind to bring here...

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    Or the interest is bogus, and Pop is trying to help Landry drum up trade interest to help keep his job.

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    nah, for what. get him back for the contract we didn't want to give him? traded at the perfect time.
    He was a klutch client, and since he wouldn’t sign the second extension, the Spurs would have been over a barrel, with him unrestricted. They were afraid of $45M, not $25M, and would have signed him to this deal in a second, and he never would have been traded.

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    Woud Murray be an improvement at the PG position, YES

    Is Murray Wemby compatible? Huge doubt for me

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    Or the interest is bogus, and Pop is trying to help Landry drum up trade interest to help keep his job.
    I Don’t Know. This Theory Doesn’t Fly Because Of The Optics For The Spurs. You Have Tre Jones, Who In His Mind, Is Happy About Finally Starting And All Of A Sudden You Hear Trade Rumors For A Point Guard Who Will For Sure Take That Spot Again From Him. It’s Bad For Chemistry To Stir Up All For The Sake Of Helping Someone Else Out In The League. Pop Has Problems Of His Own With His Current Team And You Think He Has Time To Care About Others? Not Sure About That Man.

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    Not To Mention This Is Shams Who Reported This And The Spurs Are Rarely A Team Coming Out Of His Mouth. Too Many Downsides, Not Enough Upside For This To Be Nothing But Smoke.

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    This Isn’t One Of Those Years Where The Trade Deadline Would Be Your Typical “Stand Pat” By The Spurs. All Those Years They Did That It Was Because Either A) They Did Not Want To Mess Up Chemistry For Their Playoff Run Or B) They Want To Exercise More Patience For Developing Their Young Core. Since A Is Obviously Out, B Doesn’t Apply Either Because The Development Hourglass Is Mostly Out For Everyone Except Wemby (And Maybe Sochan). This Is Likely The Ceiling For Most Of Everyone Including Malaki And Tre. The Current State Of The Spurs Require Action To Steer The Spurs Back Into The Right Direction Where A Guy Like Dejounte Could Easily Raise The Ceiling For Each Player Since He Is A Point Guard Who Already Knows The System And Can Facilitate To Others.

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    Keldon and the Toronto pick is the best I’d do. With Atlanta on the verge of collapse their picks are so off limits that DJ can go cry over the Spurs not appreciating him in another podcast if he wants. Not giving them for a semi piece.
    I would do it. Heck, add Graham and Charlotte pick which is gonna be 2x SRP eventually

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    Of course it is, it’s not because you keep ting on these players that their objective value is reduced.
    You still think those players have equal value as the picks they were selected with

    you’re not getting a 1 for branham right now
    Last edited by spurraider21; 01-10-2024 at 08:48 AM.

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    I hear ya, Dejounte. I don't deny those points. I mean, if they can get him back cheaply I think they would. On the other hand, they could be wary of any drama with him. And as for Tre, I think he knows he's a backup. Losing out to Sochan and then Branham seems more frustrating.

    Ultimately, I don't claim to have any specific knowledge, just speculating on various ways to look at it.

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    12+ pages...what Point Sochan does to a mfer

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    I hope all this Spurs talk gets The Lakers to up their offer. I still see him going there or Miami.

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    Murray would be a bird in the hand, a solid vet they might be able to get for pennies on the dollar. Topic and Collier have looked less than impressive, Castle can't shoot, pretty much leaves Dillingham as the best looking bet at PG but he's no sure thing either. Both Scoot Henderson and Amen Thompson would probably go first in this year's draft and they have both looked awful as rookies. It's a real crapshoot in the draft and if they can get their PG situation settled with Murray it allows them to take some swings on fowards with their draft picks. No one other than rascal is saying mortgage the future for Murray. This ain't the Spurs front office that drafted Kawhi, Manu, and Tony, this is the front office that just pissed away three firsts on Sochan, Branham, and Wesley, so stupidity is thinking they shouldn't make moves for good young players on bargain contracts because let's just stockpile picks forever.
    If the trade is for pennies on the dollar, then I agree but I don’t feel he’s worth throwing away assets for. I generally agree with your take, I’d prefer the Spurs go for a defensive wing with their pick and worry about a point later in the draft but that Hawks pick we’d likely be giving back could be very valuable.

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    He can pass the ball to Wemby?

    Yes please

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    Interesting that Keldon is the one rumored to be part of a potential deal. When Keldon was viewed as a core piece of the starting 5, I thought he made the most sense to move in a trade, but I’ve actually really liked him in his bench role.

    While sending Keldon out and getting DJM in does solve the PG problem, it creates a big depth problem, but as Dejounte notes it will be easier to fill that role (or the SF role in general) than it will be to fill the PG role. It is questionable that any of the PGs in this draft will ever be as good as DJM, but there are lots of SF prospects in the draft who may be as good as Keldon.

    Keldon for DJM is also helpful for future cap flexibility. Even tho Keldon is on an affordable deal, those start to add up.

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    Great point about Thompson and Scoot, way better prospects than this year's college PGs and they look nothing special.
    Can't say much about Topic, but if he can shoot he could come of the bench or even play some minutes together with Murray.
    Let's not pretend that Tre is a long-term piece of the puzzle.

    The main goal of the entire franchise should be maximizing Wemby's potential and development if it's not detrimental to the long-term future asset wise.
    As of now they've done everything to sabotage Wemby.
    Unless there's a next big thing playmaker in the upcoming draft, and I'm pretty sure there isn't, Spurs simply must get someone who's going to make this bunch of players look like an actual team.

    DJ is no superstar, but he's proven to be a competent playmaker, he's improved his shooting and he's a good defender on a solid contract.
    Can't ask for more.
    If there's no bad blood because of the way he left, bring him back. Hawks are desperate and easy to fleece.

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    the goal should be to put together a team capable of winning and getting to the playoffs, while the new draft picks develop in a limited role coming off the bench. Much better recipe than to have a bunch of rookies start just to lose 20 games in a row. I'd also rather keep Keldon, looking at how bad the talent level on our team is, but we will have to give up something if it happens.

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    Interesting that Keldon is the one rumored to be part of a potential deal. When Keldon was viewed as a core piece of the starting 5, I thought he made the most sense to move in a trade, but I’ve actually really liked him in his bench role.

    While sending Keldon out and getting DJM in does solve the PG problem, it creates a big depth problem, but as Dejounte notes it will be easier to fill that role (or the SF role in general) than it will be to fill the PG role. It is questionable that any of the PGs in this draft will ever be as good as DJM, but there are lots of SF prospects in the draft who may be as good as Keldon.

    Keldon for DJM is also helpful for future cap flexibility. Even tho Keldon is on an affordable deal, those start to add up.
    That would be hilarious for the Hawks to take Johnson rather than insisting upon Vassell.

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