No One Is Pretending To Be A GM. You’re On Equal Plane As Us And Shared Your Own Preference On What You’d Like The Spurs To Do.
I'm all for letting feelings aside in favour of a good basketball decision, but Murray isn't it, tbh. The dude is as mentally flaky as they come. I'm not sure I want to build around Wemby with that level of mental inestability as one of my cornerstones, tbh. Specially when his offensive game is so ing mid.
Obviously, you don't want a roster that consists of only 20 - something year olds since that is what we have this season.
I also don't want to spend on a guy that clearly no longer wanted to be here, could easily become a malcontent if brought back, and doesn't raise the team's ceiling beyond 'treadmill team.'
DeJounte is like Derrick White, where he'd be much better suited as the 3rd or 4th best player/option on a team, but y'all want him to comeback here and be our 2nd best player. Not thanks.
Sign (better) team-oriented veterans & use your likely top 5 pick on the PG of the future. Which I think is the Spurs actual course of action to the disappointment of y'all.
Most of ST pretends to be a GM, my friend. Or a head coach, sports psychologist, etc.
So Do You Actually Believe The Spurs Won’t Get At Least A Sense Of If Murray Wants To Be Here Or Not Before Trading For Him? Come On, That’s Common Sense And Shouldn’t Be Even Part Of The Equation.
Murray Wouldn’t Be The Second Best, That Would Presumably Be Vassell As The Spurs Have Been Hoping He Continues His Upward Trajectory.
Murray Won’t Even Be Paid As A Top Three Guy So I Am Confused Why This Is The Crux Of Your Argument.
This is the last summer we will have cap room. It’s now or never. Who is better, this summer,who will sign here?
Right, DeJounte would be a 3 - 4 year stop gap (with the possibilty of wanting out, again) and not a long - term solution.
These guys are acting like he didn't want out of town and was willing to sign that extension that he got from Atlanta here (he wasn't).
We made the play in with him as our #1. Stop with the drama, and just admit that you don’t like him.
Didn't you get my point? It isn't as simole as "this is the last summer we will have cap space, let's just spend now". You have a lot of good contracts that would be easy to move if a good opportunity arises. Adding Dejounte's to the mix might make things harder in that regard.
I don't care about any of that. I just think he isn't that good, tbh.
Dejounte is a flawed offensive player that needs the ball in his hands to be effective. You would need to build the rest of the starting lineup around his limitations. For example, a trio of Murray, Sochan and Wemby will never get you anywhere close to real contention. Just not enough shooting on that lineup.
I'd much rather draft Dillingham or Sheppard and spend the cap space on folks that can actually shoot, while keeping enough short term flexibility to jump on an oportunity to get a real second option if the chance presents itself, tbh.
I definitely don't dislike DeJounte. Never made that statement before or after his time in San Antonio.
Not even after he went on Stephen Jackson's podcast and 'dissed' the organization. I actually root from him, Derrick, Lonnie and most other former Spurs (not named Kawhi Leonard).
I just think that ship has sailed and we know who & what DeJounte is at this point
Would he be an upgrade over any current Spurs' PG? Absolutely, but you are taking major risks of they were to reacquire him.
He has shown 'diva' tendencies, didn't want to sign an extension here and I doubt he'd be okay with a pecking order that makes him 3rd (if not 4 if the were to keep Keldon to acquire him).
Plus, you are committing $28 - $30 million (with an apparent 15% trade kicker) to a near 30 PG, who best seasons are likely behind him.
Remember, PG usually have a sharp decline after 30 and his time in Atlanta has shown us that still isn't great off-ball (far ore effective ball in his hand).
I just don't see how bringing back a volatile personality (ask ST's DeJounte that has all the receipts) would be good for such a young, inexperienced group.
There are other avenues to acquire another PG, but my preferred method is through the draft.
They could also try to get one from a PG - rich team like Orlando (Anthony, Black, Fultz) or Indiana (McConnell, Nembhard).
I'm not high or potentially bring him back to San Antonio, but y'all are. Point blank.
No need for insults or questioning my reasons why.
So basically only trade for say SGA since anyone else would only be able to take this team to maybe 40 wins next year? Dejounte would be brought here to be a third option most likely, or fourth if the Spurs can hit on their draft pick this summer, I don't know what you're complaining about here. Murray elevates this team a lot giving them another desperately needed scorer who plays passable defense and would allow the team to move Tre to his rightful position as a backup PG where he'd be one of the best in the league. And I'm still keeping the Atlanta lottery picks in 25 and 26 to see if we can luck into Cooper Flagg, Cameron Boozer, or AJ Dybantsa or trade them for a legit star.
He wasn't willing to sign a $16 million a year extension, the max the Spurs could have offered under the CBA at the time, and he would have been a moron to do so. Would you take a pay cut at work?
Fair enough.
I'm higher on him as player, but we both agree he'd be a bad fit back with San Antonio .
I’m Happy You Like Spreading Misinformation Because Murray Has Been Shooting The Same Percentage From 3 As Vassell This Season. Both Are At 81-211 3PT FGA. Murray Is Also Shooting The 3 Better Than Anunoby On More Attempts And The Same Percentage As Anthony Edwards.
Murray’s USG Rates As Way Below Wemby’s So If You Think Wemby Doesn’t Have The Ball In His Hands Enough, Then You Don’t Really Believe That Dj Has The Ball In His Hands A Lot. Murray’s USG Compares To Guys Like LaVine, Middleton, And Giddey… Guys Who Aren’t Even The Primary Playmaker On Their Teams. So That’s Another Bit Of Misinformation.
Last edited by Dejounte; 01-10-2024 at 09:43 PM.
Not sure what crawled up your ass and died.
Sure, the guy that went on a podcast and mostly derided his time in San Antonio (as an active player) only wanted out because of the monetary difference in pay.
It wasn't that he wanted brighter lights and a bigger market too.
He refused to sign the extension and also requested a trade. He could refused the extension and re-signed in the off-season if he actually wanted to remain here. He didn't because he not only wanted the raise in salary but also a change in scenery, which his interview on Stephen Jackson"s podcast made abundantly clear.
Another thing Dejounte would bring the Spurs is ball safety. He was pretty bad about turning the ball over early in his career and he became very good at it before being traded. This year his turnover % is 10.3%, a sterling number for a guard with a usage rate of 24.5%.
Tonight he is 5-6 from three with 4 assists and 1 turnover with 5 minutes left against the Sixers.
I have the feeling that the Spurs are just going to stay put, get a high pick (theirs) and hope to get another one from Toronto. Probably sign one or two vets and probably end up in the lottery again next year hoping to get Cooper Flag with their pick and Atlanta's. By then (2025), they'll have a better idea what to do with Sochan, Branham and Wesley. Collins will have an expiring contract so could be moved.
You really are full of piss and vinegar over a guy that doesn't want to be on your favorite team.
Again (and for the last time), DeJounte wanted more money but also he didn't want to be in San Antonio any longer. IMO, he wouldn't be a long-term answer at PG since he's nearing 30 and has already suffered a career altering injury (which he never has looked the same defensively afterwards).
I get that y'all hate having only one legitimate PG on the roster and Pop/the front-office is dumb for doing so (or at least not playing/developing Wesley more on the main roster).
It's led to bad vibes and pining for a guy that no longer wanted to be here.
Well, I'd like them to go through other channels to find a starting caliber PG than bringing DJ back.
I also remember him folding in the paly in game against the Pelicans and getting into foul trouble. Spurs lost that game.
Do you take a paycut at work? Why should Murray have? No one in his right mind would have signed that rookie extension, as it was for way less than his market value. I watched that entire interview and he was mostly complimentary of the Spurs and of his time in San Antonio. He didn't want to be rebuilding. I would have been excited about going to Atlanta too in his shoes and the Spurs had no reasonable way to lock him up before he hit free agency, so moved him for a ridiculously good offer instead of losing him for nothing.
Yet, with all of that, Hawks are willing to trade him away 50 cents on the dollar. What does that tell you?
Most likely, the spurs have said to be patient with the rebuild. Spurstalk is becoming impatient with the losing this year.
They didn't acquire these first round picks to trade them back to get Murray and it's going to take a more expensive package (including some of those unprotected draft picks) than most in here would be willing to trade to get Murray in a trade.
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