I also heard how everyone would improve with Wemby.
Things don't work out like that.
SGA, probably not a point and ungettable. Haliburton has same pros and cons as Trae and ungettable. Maxey, serious? Curry of course, but much older and ungettable. Trae clearly over Murray. Fox, maybe on par maybe not, different skill set and ungettable.
I could see both sides of the argument for Young and don't really have a strong preference either way.
Excluding lead/go-to ball handlers (Doncic, James, Booker, Mitc , Harden) who don't primarily defend the position . . .
Tier 1: Gilgeous-Alexander
Tier 2: Haliburton
Tier 3: Curry, Lillard, Morant, Young, Fox, Irving, Brunson, Maxey, J. Murray
Tier 4: Ball, Garland
you don't burn all your assets. You trade those picks that aren't yours anyway. The Spurs would still have their own picks for other trades and probably a couple extra 2nd rounders.
Ain't you the same guy that was running around here saying "the Spurs can't draft 3 guys in the same draft cause they don't have the staff to develop that many players at the same time?" But you don't want to trade all those extra picks?
Our “own picks” will be in the 20s, and not in a position to get another star playerifitdoesnt work out. I don’t necessarily want to keep all of those picks. Mikal Bridges would be a good target for a couple of them. Maybe Brogdon, too. Any of the CHA, CHI, or the 27 ATL pick would be on the table. I am absolutely against trading either our pick this year, the Toronto pick, or the 25 ATL pick or the 26 ATL swap. Those are the gold we mine for our future after a transitional period with the Bridges or Brogdon type players to bridge the training period for our high picks.
nobody said the Spurs should use their own picks to draft players. They should be used to trade for a star obviously. So even if you aquired Young, you could still maneuver trading your own draft picks. You didn't burn all your assets. That's the point.
And yes the Raptors pick and the ATL 25 and 26 swap are the most valuable picks obviously, but if I can get a star PG I'll trade some of them.
You think you're getting someone like Bridges for the Atlanta 27 pick and change? How about if those 25 and 26 picks end up being guys like Derrick Favors and Josh Jackson that the Spurs were in love with on draft day? Then you're drafting in the 20s and hoping Vassell has become a top 10 player or bye bye Wemby to the Lakers. You act like standing pat isn't a risk.
Siakam says he will not promise to resign with anyone he is traded for this season. He intends to become a free agent.
That puts a brake on a good part of the deadline drama. Also possibly makes Toronto's future even worse, although they can S&T him.
Malcolm Brodgan
Dejounte Murray
Seem to likely be the only significant players that are on the move right now. And Siakam's statement hampers Atlanta's ability to maneuver this year.
After the NY trade I think they’d be open to moving Schroeder. But he’s not a great shooter.
I don't find the Raptors pick all that amazing. Best case (if it conveys this season) is it's #7 in what is looking like a quite weak draft. That's a pick I'm more than happy to move to get a high quality vet. The ATL 25 and 26 are in a much higher class of value and it would take someone like Bridges or Young to get me to consider them. But ever since winning the lottery I have thought those Atlanta picks would probably best be used on trading for a star young enough to give you a good 6-7 years as opposed to hoping you win the lottery for Flagg or Boozer with the picks, especially with your best case being a 28% chance with them.
agree. Also don't forget, we should be seeing some more Brian Wright moves where he converts 2nd rounders into future 1st round draft picks. I assume that's the move at the deadline while attaching some expiring contracts.
Posted in the Timeline thread, but relevant here I think. Personally I'd move our 27 before the ATL 27, but that is a matter of taste.
Left this out of my analysis above... I'd actually be willing to move off both of our picks this year for the right player, but definitely the TOR pick. I'm not super excited about this crop of rookies, but it's only January.
The NBA media never get excited over white European players, even when the history of outstanding 18 YOs is extremely positive in translation to the NBA. There was a ton of excitement over the top picks in last years draft, and I’ll be honest, I can see 2023 picks 3-5 EASILY busting. I never liked Scoot or the twins, and still don’t. I would rather take a chance on a more raw, better coached Euro who knows how to play in the halfcourt, and there are some exciting athletic prospects who fit that bill like Risacher and Salaun.
hope we see a lot of that
dont forget this past draft he traded the #33 overall pick for 2 distant crappy SRPs... only to then use the worse of our 2 SRPs to draft a guy that wasnt 2-way eligible
I get that Luka, Sengun and Wemby are prime examples of this, but we've also seen a lot of Sekou Doumbouya, Luka Samanic, Killian Hayes, Deni Avdija, Aleksej Pokusevski, Usman Garuba, Ousmane Dieng, Nikola Jovic, etc. I'd be curious how the hit rate of draft picks with professional experience in Europe compares to other draft picks, but I'm not going to take the time to put that analysis together.
At the end of the day, I think it all comes down to a more fundamental analysis: Good prospects are good, bad prospects are bad, but it's hard to tell the two apart when they're 18 and 19 year olds.
How is Bilal Coulibaly doing? His stats don't look too great (less that Sochan's rookie stats, but with a higher eFG%, the advanced stats all look pretty similar) but he is on a putrid team. I'm just not that excited about a Coulibaly-type prospect versus moving that pick for an known quan y.
The only pick that's untouchable is the Spurs own first rounder this year since its pretty much a lock to be top 7 with a good chance at top 3. Everything else is on the table.
Atlanta is circling the bowl, and shopping their guards, and you’re willing to give up their unprotected 25 pick in the Cooper Flagg draft, and the swap in the Cam Boozer draft?
For a sure thing like Trea Young yeah I would. If Atlanta cannot regain control of their own picks tanking does them no good. Plus the odds of Atlanta getting the number 1 in either of those drafts is still pretty low. The NBA never has a shortage of ty or tanking teams.
I wouldn't deal that Atlanta unprotected 25th pick for anything but a SGA level player. Atlanta is a Trae Young injury away from maybe giving us Cooper in the 2025 draft. With the way the Hawks are trending that 25 Hawks pick might be THE most valuable trade commodity in the entire NBA next year.
They can’t regain control unless we do something stupid, and if we don’t, they’ll be a lottery team for sure. As for the lottery odds, we can’t win if we don’t have Atlanta’s tickets. Having slim odds is better than not being in the game.
They would give us a 14% chance at best for landing Flagg. People need to stop assuming the Spurs get first overall picks in 2025-27.
Last edited by Kevin; 01-16-2024 at 03:11 PM.
Or they can trade those lottery tickets in for Trea Young.
Getting Young is like a guaranteed 10 million dollar lottery win that pays out immediately. You don't pass on that for a 14% chance at winning 50 million 2-4 years from now. And again the odds are 14% at best.
OTOH, you certainly won’t get Flagg or Boozer without a ticket to play.
If the Spurs add Young over the summer without trading away their own top 5 pick they're two years away from championship contention. Wemby's on pace to be the best player in the NBA by the end of year 3.
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