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    Definitely missed Wemby. In the moment, I wasn’t too mad but you just dont understand basketball if you think the shot was the right play in hindsight.

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    Yet only decided to join after Wemby, I'm sure every one believes you, rider
    I didn't know how to register. I only found this website like four years ago. Registering via the website is closed.

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    I didn't know how to register. I only found this website like four years ago. Registering via the website is closed.
    Didn't know how to register? Yeah, the internet is hard

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    Three seconds is not a lot of time to make a lob and have the guy catch and finish. A lot of these still shots assume the other guys should have a Spidey sense for when Wemby's man is not on him and then that the ball would teleport to Wemby's hands. Thinking Basketball posted a Wemby video the other day which is fine for what it is. But there's a part in there when he's showing an example of the Spurs missing Wemby for a lob, and his example had Vassell with two guys in his face. It's like, no, a lob wouldn't work there. There was a window for a bounce pass, but it would've involved barely getting it by two sets of hands. Even with that, that pass would've had a higher chance of success than a lob.

    The team is still learning, and they have good and bad moments. That goes for tunnel vision, play design/focus and Victor's own play. This thread being dormant for weeks is a testament to the team's progress in that regard. All of the people speculated about the other guys hating Victor or avoiding him out of jealousy have zero support. Coaching, in terms of practice, game planning and play-calling, has improved. More experience and a better penetrator would continue to help. What I can't say helps is to continue treading into conspiracy. Victor's usage continues to increase as the year goes on, but teams are also getting better at devising methods to disrupt Wemby's possessions. Those methods can be countered, but learning to do so takes time. The lineup is a bunch of kids. They aren't going to be perfect.
    3 seconds is PLENTY of ing time to toss the ball around the rim and let Victor go get it. It's not like Devin has to make some crazy super pin point pass

    It's definitely plenty of time in comparison to what Dip Devin actually ended up doing with the ball

    You don't need to "pass the ball to Wemby". You just need to "throw the ball around the rim."

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    Didn't know how to register? Yeah, the internet is hard
    half your posts in the last half decade must be about me at this point buddy

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    Missing Wemby isn't what bothers me the most, his lack of accountability is

    It happens, you missed him, own it and move on to the next game etc

    But his reaction means he's either in denial or refuses to own it (ego)

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    Wow 1st time I see an offical media taking a position

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    absolutely idiotic statement by Vassell. Pop should chew him out for taking that shot.

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    Need a running thread of open three point looks that teammates brick while 3 defenders mug Wemby

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    Need a running thread of open three point looks that teammates brick while 3 defenders mug Wemby
    Agree but odd user name for someone who wants better 3pt shooting.

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    The Spurs already told Vassell he's the guy when they gave him that contract. He couldn't care less about Victor since Victor probably has his road paved already while Devin is still seeking his next contract with whatever team he gets traded to. We look at wins and losses and team basketball. Some of these guys look at getting paid and staying in the league.

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    Agree but odd user name for someone who wants better 3pt shooting.

    Loved Patty in 2013/14 when he was shooting lights out in a small role

    Seven years later when he was playing 25mpg I was ready to be done

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    The Spurs already told Vassell he's the guy when they gave him that contract. He couldn't care less about Victor since Victor probably has his road paved already while Devin is still seeking his next contract with whatever team he gets traded to. We look at wins and losses and team basketball. Some of these guys look at getting paid and staying in the league.
    At ude.
    MeBall over TeamBall has no place on a Timmy Duncan foundation team.

    But ya, Popped aint gonna do about it because he has the same at ude. Sits around waiting for the end of the game to do his attention virtue signaling forced hob nobbing with opponents.

    Major error with Vassell. But, still salvageable.
    We'll see what the future brings.

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    Rough comment from Vassell. Not super upset that he didn’t make the pass yesterday, but definitely concerned that his tunnel vision is a permanent condition

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    At ude.
    MeBall over TeamBall has no place on a Timmy Duncan foundation team.

    But ya, Popped aint gonna do about it because he has the same at ude. Sits around waiting for the end of the game to do his attention virtue signaling forced hob nobbing with opponents.

    Major error with Vassell. But, still salvageable.
    We'll see what the future brings.
    I'm sure Devin has the freedom to make decisions on the floor. Pop has to live with those choices and see how it goes or put him in check. I expect to see changes to the offense next season but if Pop doesn't start "experimenting" with it after the AS break, I won't have much faith that Pop has a long term plan.

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    Need a running thread of open three point looks that teammates brick while 3 defenders mug Wemby
    Even worse when there are 0 defenders mugging Wemby

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    I'm sure Devin has the freedom to make decisions on the floor. Pop has to live with those choices and see how it goes or put him in check. I expect to see changes to the offense next season but if Pop doesn't start "experimenting" with it after the AS break, I won't have much faith that Pop has a long term plan.
    One extreme would be micro managing and trying to adjust every little move by younger players.
    Popped is the exact opposite. we've been seeing for ages and he still has not addressed?
    Vassell and Johnson being selfish chuckers who ignore Wemby is old as . Even if this is Wembys first 50 games.

    Popped has been done since Zaza phucked Kawhi over.

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    Btw can we get a pic / vid of Chucky Vassells final Kobme shot with Victor open?

    All I've found are in 5 minute game recaps.

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    Btw can we get a pic / vid of Chucky Vassells final Kobme shot with Victor open?

    All I've found are in 5 minute game recaps.
    Posted already earlier in the thread. page 6 I think

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    The Spurs already told Vassell he's the guy when they gave him that contract. He couldn't care less about Victor since Victor probably has his road paved already while Devin is still seeking his next contract with whatever team he gets traded to. We look at wins and losses and team basketball. Some of these guys look at getting paid and staying in the league.
    This!!

    thank you

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    Posted already earlier in the thread. page 6 I think
    This one?
    Ya i was hoping to see the few seconds before.
    Looks like Kobme could easily fire a jump shot - pass. Since it would take Wemby 0.04 seconds to gather the pass and flush.

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    3 seconds is PLENTY of ing time to toss the ball around the rim and let Victor go get it. It's not like Devin has to make some crazy super pin point pass

    It's definitely plenty of time in comparison to what Dip Devin actually ended up doing with the ball
    This suggests you don't understand how a shot clock works. Vassell only needs to get the ball out of his hands in three seconds. It doesn't have to make it to the rim. A pass to the rim DOES have to be caught and out of the players hands before the clock expires. The gap in time that takes is massive.

    You don't need to "pass the ball to Wemby". You just need to "throw the ball around the rim."
    You'd think by now people would realize this isn't true. Wemby has a wider catch radius than normal. He doesn't have as wide of one as people want to believe. He still needs good passes, ESPECIALLY when he doesn't have time to land, survey and shoot. It wouldn't surprise me at all if nearly half of the Spurs' turnovers every game come from Wemby or from his teammates trying to pass him the ball. Quite a few attempted lobs last night ended up deflected precisely because teams are adjusting to guard them. Given time and development, Wemby's ability to make contested catches and finish against pressure will increase along with his teammate's ability to hit that sweet spot where Victor is the only player who can catch it. But that takes real development. As I said, this has been such a minor issue that no one talked about it for a month, so the idea that it's a systemic issue doesn't hold water anymore.

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    So here's a link to the play, in case one hasn't been provided: https://youtu.be/2DxWiZV1CVs?t=466





    So this is a different situation than what I was thinking of. Vassell should've known Victor was going to be open, because that looks like it's the point of the play. So the read-and-react part shouldn't really factor into the time. I do think Vassell called his own number and took a shot that had a lower percentage of success than the pass would have -- even factoring in the caveats I said before. IF the play was supposed to be for Vassell, it's fine that he took the shot, both because of the timing and because he's the team's closer. IF the play was for Wemby as I suggested, then it's really bad he took that shot, bad enough to have knock on effects. It may or may not bother Wemby too much, but it would certainly bother Pop that Vassell showed an unwillingness to execute a play. Devin may not find himself with the ball in his hands in that situation the next time.

    So I do admit I was wrong. I actually didn't think this conversation was about the end-of-game scenario, but a different play earlier in the second half that Sean commented on during the game. So I fully understand why folks are concerned in this thread. I'm not going to edit the response to poopbox, because I think it's fair for people to see the context of this post. I don't see there being a huge interpersonal issue here like some are fearing, but I do think it's going to make Pop's job harder if the players don't listen when he does try to intervene.

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    The Spurs already told Vassell he's the guy when they gave him that contract. He couldn't care less about Victor since Victor probably has his road paved already while Devin is still seeking his next contract with whatever team he gets traded to. We look at wins and losses and team basketball. Some of these guys look at getting paid and staying in the league.
    Vassell didn't get anywhere near a max contract, assuming every team has place for 2, he'd be more Catwoman than Robin, let alone Batman. If he has problems acknowledging that going forward, he can always be a nice piece of an outgoing package for someone who gets it.

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