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Pretty different players imo
Watched Colorado last night, a team that struggles despite having three NBA possibilities.
I like Cody Williams. He is long and lanky but moves with smoothness. He went 100% across the board I believe. Never sped up and assured around the basket. I can see the attraction. Did basically nothing else. No rebounds, no assists. Defense is a bit of a muddle as older guards were too savvy and strong. There's stuff to work with here, just consistently balk at a top five slot. You're banking on other aspects of his game coming around.
Pretty different players imo
would be nice to have someone other than Bran Ham play when he has to sit
Reed: 65 steals in 25 games. For perspective, Rondo had 87 in 34 games. That was a good win by UK against a good defensive team in Auburn’s court.
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My man Furphy from Kansas had a good game against a good Oklahoma team - 15pts, 9rbs, 3sls - Would seriously think of maybe taking him if we get Raptors pick.
Hard to tell Furphy's size, but seems good. Kansas is dominated by upperclassmen on offense, so he's always off ball, but he gets his shots up quickly and they move him around. Like the last game he was the only player who had anything working until later in the game. Moves well for a tall guy. His positioning and instincts in help defense are great, not as good on the ball but I think it's a much practice and experience. Despite being skinny, he's tough. Will get in there and bang for boards. When he puts on strength this will work very well for him.
Won't be surprised when he's at least a lottery pick.
I have never seen a draft class with so many Mike Dunleavy-esque players. Hard to get too excited.
If any of these lanky, white guys could end up closer to a Franz Wagner-lite, that would be the guy. Very speculative at this point.
The Mike Dunleavy that had a seventeen year career?
While we're there, Franz Wagner came out after his sop re year. Comparing freshman year stats (so far), per 40 Furphy outperforms in fg%, 3pt% (by a good bit), slightly lower ft%, with fewer twos attempted, about the same threes, a touch more fts (neither went to the line much), about the same rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, turnovers, fouls.
Hard comparison by stats because Furphy's role is completely different these last twelve or so games, once he started and got a lot more time and greater responsibility. I do like that he's stepped up and that the last two games he's kept the team afloat somewhat while they've struggled (Tech game, they never recovered, but his line was good). He's doing well with only a 17% usage.
By eye test, I think Wagner is more of a facilitator, Furphy a better shooter (at this comparative stage), Wagner possibly bigger. Listing gave Wagner twenty pounds at draft day. Not unreasonable - he was half a year older at draft but a full year further into his college program.
Honestly, we often do this. "So and so isn't so and so." Well, obviously. But Wagner was disparaged before he was drafted. Most people thought he went too high. We constantly have this recency bias where we forget that good NBA players were once just young prospects. I don't think Furphy and Wagner are the same player. Of course. But I like what I see a good deal.
And if he winds up being Mike Dunleavy, Mike Dunleavy would be a great complementary player in today's NBA. He was pretty good back in the day. I'd be willing to bet Furphy could be at least as good and I'd take a close look. Franz Wagner went #8 by the way.
Call it the "Topic class"...
You never know but if you can indeed end up with a productive role player out this class, you could call it a win. The few intriguing players with potentially higher potential (like Risacher, Sarr or a couple others) don't necessarily scream future star either. We'll see.
It looks like Isaiah Collier has played better since he came back from his hand injury. He should be back in the picture for the potential Raptors pick.
Yep, I’ve been consistent with this one as I’ve been with Matas. Collier’s the most skilled point guard coming out of this draft. People let a season’s worth of performance limit their perception of a player— scouting goes beyond that. It’s what they have as a total package. Collier might not prove to the masses that he’s a top 3 pick because of something as shallow as college stats or “getting far in the March Madness”, but his skills more than warrant it especially next to overhyped players like Sarr and Rissacher.
Collier with our Spurs pick should be the move if we don’t get Trae.
Yeah, how dare we let a season’s worth of performance inform our preferences.
This is Collier. He’s elite at the rim, and drawing fouls. He ing sucks as a PG, with a 1.3/1 asst/TO ratio. He doesn’t shoot well,either.
You’re proving my point. You’re quick to judge a kid’s STATISTICAL performance which is dictated by his environment, which also has an effect on his developmental growth and therefore affects his stats — hence why I say it’s extremely shallow. You judge everything based on stats, we know this. We can agree to disagree and move on.
Is the fact that he only shoots 66% from the free throw line a stat?
Not sure. Let’s ask Tony Parker who shot 67% and 65% from the free throw in two of his years as a Spur. See how pointless this is?
Your argument is that when he was doing many other things very well, Tony Parker shot suboptimally from the line two seasons out of eighteen?
The problem with Collier is that he's supposed to do two things well, pass and barrel his way to the free row line. He doesn't pass well and while he generates a fantastic amount of free thriws he shoots very poorly there.
I intend to watch his games now that he's back. His lines look pretty impressive. I didn't like him when I watched him before the injury. He looked kind of a mess.
Collier does many things well that don’t get represented fairly in stats because of the lack of cohesiveness and talent on the team he’s playing on. This applies to a few other players whose talent exceeds what they’re able to show due to being handicapped by their team and their coach’s gameplan, not just Collier. These kids get to make one choice in their lives, and sometimes it’s a good one and sometimes it’s a bad one. This isn’t Durant being able to see what kind of talent there is on a team (or able to see team cohesiveness) before he joins them. In the same way we know Wemby could perform a lot better with teammates who could give him open looks or defend better so he wouldn’t be put in bad positions, that’s how it is for these kids.
Getting to the line is one skill no other spur seems to have tho. Might be useful.
But... He doesn't make them.
This now sounds like a strawman.
Did you know that there’s more to free throws than hitting free throws? When a player is able to get to the line, guess what else happens? Their bigs sit down because of foul trouble, disrupting the other team’s offense AND defense. Imagine if Embiid or Jokic had to sit down and Wemby could feast on their backup?
also, the same could be said about Sochan’s free throw shooting in year one vs year two. The point about Tony was to show players could improve their free throw shooting. Again, looking at college stats in a vacuum is a pointless exercise and is poor scouting.
When a guard is so bad at the free throw line you get into territory where he'll get fouled down the stretch. What would you rather happen, Wemby on a lob or just foul Collier?
Collier’s FT % in college would be more indicative that he might not develop into a real 3P threat in the NBA, but I’m not overly concerned that is mean’s he’ll be a poor career NBA FT shooter. We can look at Sochan for evidence of that.
Now, whether the 3P thing is a deal breaker, is another question. We already have a PG who does things pretty well other than shoot 3P.
Sochan shot poorly from the FT line in college, sub .600, and you were all in on drafting him.
It's hard for me to fully commit or fully count out any player in this draft. So I'm intrigued about Isaiah Collier.
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