2024 NBA Draft Thread

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Very simplistic reasoning, bro. Manu was also a non-starter. Was Manu bad or Pop a complete moron?

Manu didn't start yep, there are some theories:
A) Could he physically handle it, with his play style? There are some people who say that he could not. Ok, if this is the reason why Dillingham and Sheppard aren't starting... Well NCAA is 40 or so games (of 40 minutes), and a less physically demanding league. If they can't handle starter minutes in that league, can they handle the NBA, where the season is 82+ games of 48 minutes, and the physicality level is higher...

B) There's only 1 ball... and SAS had TD (and Parker). Tim was a better player than Manu (especially considering defense as well as offense) so he was always going to start, and Parker was at least compe ive with Manu. So Manu went to the bench so he could have the ball in his hands more when he played... which suited him fine. If this is why they come off the bench, who are the superior players on Kentucky who are making it make sense for Dilly and Sheppard to come off the bench? Shouldn't we be drafting one of those guys???

[Mr. Body]

Manu didn't start yep, there are some theories:
A) Could he physically handle it, with his play style? There are some people who say that he could not. Ok, if this is the reason why Dillingham and Sheppard aren't starting... Well NCAA is 40 or so games (of 40 minutes), and a less physically demanding league. If they can't handle starter minutes in that league, can they handle the NBA, where the season is 82+ games of 48 minutes, and the physicality level is higher...

B) There's only 1 ball... and SAS had TD (and Parker). Tim was a better player than Manu (especially considering defense as well as offense) so he was always going to start, and Parker was at least compe ive with Manu. So Manu went to the bench so he could have the ball in his hands more when he played... which suited him fine. If this is why they come off the bench, who are the superior players on Kentucky who are making it make sense for Dilly and Sheppard to come off the bench? Shouldn't we be drafting one of those guys???

Manu wasn't starting because the team prefered the burst he provided coming off the bench. They only needed shooting at the SG in the starting unit. Ginobili had multiple skills so could provide the team what it was lacking while being fresh.

[DAF86]

Manu didn't start yep, there are some theories:
A) Could he physically handle it, with his play style? There are some people who say that he could not. Ok, if this is the reason why Dillingham and Sheppard aren't starting... Well NCAA is 40 or so games (of 40 minutes), and a less physically demanding league. If they can't handle starter minutes in that league, can they handle the NBA, where the season is 82+ games of 48 minutes, and the physicality level is higher...

B) There's only 1 ball... and SAS had TD (and Parker). Tim was a better player than Manu (especially considering defense as well as offense) so he was always going to start, and Parker was at least compe ive with Manu. So Manu went to the bench so he could have the ball in his hands more when he played... which suited him fine. If this is why they come off the bench, who are the superior players on Kentucky who are making it make sense for Dilly and Sheppard to come off the bench? Shouldn't we be drafting one of those guys???

This is the same guy that had Devin Booker coming off the bench. I don't know why you would base your draft selections in something so dumb as "they are coming off the bench".

Here's an article about this topic if you are interested:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs...t-players/amp/

[Mr. Body]

Calipari brings Sheppard and Dillingham off the bench partly because he starts a senor and guys who were ranked higher and might have been given promises to start and just kept it that way. The starters are fine and one they slow down the bench helps and they come on within three minutes or so anyway.

[rascal]

I certainly hope they do. I think Topic is a better prospect... Neither Dillingham nor Sheppard is a starter for Kentucky. Why? I doubt it's that their coach is a complete moron...

I also don't see Dillingham as a long term starting option with NBA starter's minutes.

He's going to be a player who comes off the bench for offense and that is an important role to have a player who can hit shots and jump start an offense off the bench.

[duncan2150]

I've been having Dillingham around my top 3 for a while now. He's my top pick right now. Do I think he'll actually get picked first? No.

But I've seen enough. It's too many times where Kentucky, a team full of young but very highly rated recruits, gets bogged down and falls behind, their supposedly high-end offense not getting anything going, and then he starts ripping things apart.

And it's not because he's calling his own shot over and over, it's because he starts putting so much pressure on the defense they have trouble handling it. He's so shifty, so quick. It's really hard to guard him because of how he handles the ball -- he's flashy, but it's all for a purpose, his spins are for a purpose, his advanced moves. He's always a threat to get somewhere, but then he pops off shots super-quickly. It's hard, maybe even impossible, to read when he's about to shoot, and maybe that's the thing - he's so instinctual, so fast in his processing of defenses, that he's never having to plan things out. There's no sitting and thinking strategy.

Anyway, I find his knack unbelievable. It's not just that he's a really good shooter, it's that he's lightning fast getting there, and then he's playing within their system, and he sees open guys. Plus he does this at vital times. Too many times I've seen him take over games when they've needed him. But isn't a ball-hog. He's not taking really bad shots at all. I mean, here or there, like heat-checks, but he's not what I'd call a chucker. So, like, not only is he a crazy good scorer and ballhandler, who plays within his team, will get guys the ball and seems to relish that, he also seems super clutch.

Now... do I think he can play off-ball, lower usage, actually run an offense for the Spurs? Do I think the way he gets himself open, his spins and stepbacks, in a way that might seem wild, will work with Pop? Dunno.

But there's no question in my mind that he's the best player in this draft. He's just undersized.

what do you think about his D ? I think that's the part who will be complicated for him.

[alfahdlan]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...march-madness/

cbssports current ranking.

[Mr. Body]

what do you think about his D ? I think that's the part who will be complicated for him.

I've broken down Dillingham's defensive issues in three ways:

- Size and strength. He's just a slight dude who will get posted and pushed around and I don't think he can put on a ton of weight. He doesn't avoid contact and I even saw him boxing out a bigger dude last night, which was adorable, but he has no impact there.

- Positioning and awareness. Earlier in the season, he was blowing easy rotations and assignments, but I feel he's gotten much better. The Kentucky team is just bad. But I see him calling switches and being much more active, leading me to believe there's a receptive player here.

- Effort and instincts. He gets blown by too often. One problem is he picks up players way outside the three-point line, which is unnecessary. He's also lead-footed in his reactions. Namely, his instincts aren't great and he's not as tuned in as he thinks he is.

I don't think he'll ever be an average defender purely due to strength and size, but I do think much of the rest can be improved. He played in Overtime Elite last year and that's a no-defense league. His understanding of screens and how to cover basic stuff was pretty terrible as long ago as January, but honestly I see effort, attention, and interest. If a team could manage to get him engaged, he has the quickness to make up for some of his problems. And he seems smart enough that good coaching will ensure his spacing and reads are better.

[mudd]

odds of spurs getting raptors draft pick in 2024?

[Ariel]

odds of spurs getting raptors draft pick in 2024?

Already explained in the "Toronto Pick Watch (Top 6 protected)" thread:

• If Toronto ends up 8th worst (pre-lottery), the pick has a 73.7% chance of conveying, but a 0% chance of ending up with the 7th pick.
• If Toronto ends up 7th worst (pre-lottery), the pick has a 68% chance of conveying, but a 19.7% chance of ending up with the 7th pick.
• If Toronto ends up 6th worst (pre-lottery), the pick has a 54% chance of conveying, but a 29.8% chance of ending up with the 7th pick.

So basically it depends on whether you prefer a slightly higher chance of conveying (then you want to finish 8th), or a significantly higher chance of maximizing the pick (then you want to finish 6th ), with the happy medium being 7th: almost as good a chance of conveying as 8th (5.7% less), with almost as high a chance of maximizing the pick as 6th.

Deeper dive for the whole 3 year window: https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...1#post11036501

[onechance87]

odds of spurs getting raptors draft pick in 2024?

not looking good

[mo7888]

odds of spurs getting raptors draft pick in 2024?

54.2% at worst

[baseline bum]

odds of spurs getting raptors draft pick in 2024?

Around 60-65%

[baseline bum]

what do you think about his D ?

ten inches maybe?

[JPB]

what do you think about his D ?

ten inches maybe?

Primo thread.

[baseline bum]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...march-madness/

cbssports current ranking.

I don't get why all these mocks love Walters so much. Can't shoot, can't shoot the three, doesn't do anything else, but jacks up a lot of threes.

[exstatic]

not looking good

They’re not dropping below 6th. Not enough time left to out tank the tanking 5. That means like 64% or so. Where I’m from, 2/3 is looking good. The better the odds to keep the pick, the worse the pick. Finishing 14th is like 97.6% keep the pick. Crap pick, though

[Mr. Body]

I don't get why all these mocks love Walters so much. Can't shoot, can't shoot the three, doesn't do anything else, but jacks up a lot of threes.

He and Cody just won't drop.

Walter is similar to Keyonte George last year, also from Baylor, whose efficiency was also bad. I guess people like how they're getting shots and so on. Keyonte is looking pretty good in Utah at least.

[BatManu20]

[BatManu20]

Not high on Topic personally but if true, a 6’11 wingspan for him is impressive tbh. Still wouldn’t touch him in the top-5 though.

[BatManu20]

[Dejounte]

Not high on Topic personally but if true, a 6’11 wingspan for him is impressive tbh. Still wouldn’t touch him in the top-5 though.

Sorry WHAT.

He has the same wingspan as Rissacher, while having twice the skills. Draft this man ASAP.

[Dejounte]

Scoring most of his points by open looks inside and him just standing there

What a ing joke

[Pauleta14]

I don’t the point of going in this league tbh. The level seems worse than G league or Europe by far…

nothing to be excited or even intrigued about this video

[Mr. Body]

I don’t the point of going in this league tbh. The level seems worse than G league or Europe by far…

nothing to be excited or even intrigued about this video

The draftees from NBL have been pretty underwhelming.

Honestly, Sarr isn't a number one draft prospect. It's a bad draft, sure, but c'mon.