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    Holland seems like a more athletic Keldon but without a jumper. What am I missing?

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    Hindsight is 20/20.
    There were a lot of people who hated the pick at the time, and continued the hate up until he got released.

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    Current mock from The Athletic's Sam Vecenie:

    1. Risacher (Blazers)
    2. Sarr (Wizards)
    3. Buzelis (Pistons)
    4. Sheppard (Grizzlies)
    5. Topic (Spurs)
    6. Castle (Hornets)
    7. Williams (Spurs via Raptors)
    8. Holland (Rockets via Nets)
    9. Dillingham (Jazz)
    10. Salaun (Hawks)
    11. Clingan (Thunder via Rockets)
    12. Knecht (Bulls)
    13. Collier (Pelicans via Lakers)
    14. Walter (Blazers via Warriors)
    For Shiz and Giggz, I would grab Castle and Dillingham. I'm still open to Topic but don't actually think he's a player we need (position either needs shooting or defense and he does neither). But I also don't think the Spurs take Dillingham.

    And I don't believe in Cody Williams. He looks pretty bad lately. Not a horrible player, but not a lottery pick even in this draft. The only 'top' SF I might like is Buzelis. And then, later, George and Furphy still. I don't think there's a small forward solution in this draft.

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    There were a lot of people who hated the pick at the time, and continued the hate up until he got released.
    These came in two groups:

    1. Those who wanted Sengun, who were right, and
    2. People who have no idea who was on the board, who they would have picked instead, and just on the carpet constantly for no apparent reason.

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    There were a lot of people who hated the pick at the time, and continued the hate up until he got released.
    There are a lot of people here that hate almost everything the Spurs do. Doesn’t move the needle with me.

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    These came in two groups:

    1. Those who wanted Sengun, who were right, and
    2. People who have no idea who was on the board, who they would have picked instead, and just on the carpet constantly for no apparent reason.
    Wish the search function worked so we could check the transcript

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    There are a lot of people here that hate almost everything the Spurs do. Doesn’t move the needle with me.
    Nevertheless, not hindsight

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    Holland seems like a more athletic Keldon but without a jumper. What am I missing?
    That may be a pretty fair evaluation - but to me there are a few distinguishing factors that are important.

    The first would be Holland size. He's 6'8" and I've seen his wingspan reported at anywhere from 6'10.5" - 7'2" (the combine will give us the truth). Keldon, on the other hand is 6'5" with a 6'8.5" wingspan. If Keldon were just Keldon with Holland's size, I think that would be a huge difference maker.

    In some Holland tape I saw some of the same things I liked about Whitmore tape last year: glimpses of some Kawhi-like power and interior moves. His 3P% is definitely a major red flag for me though. My liking Holland at a potential #8 pick is really less about Holland and more about the lack of better options, tbh.

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    Wish the search function worked so we could check the transcript
    I don't need a search to know you just your pants constantly.

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    I don't need a search to know you just your pants constantly.
    You son of a , I’m in

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    That may be a pretty fair evaluation - but to me there are a few distinguishing factors that are important.

    The first would be Holland size. He's 6'8" and I've seen his wingspan reported at anywhere from 6'10.5" - 7'2" (the combine will give us the truth). Keldon, on the other hand is 6'5" with a 6'8.5" wingspan. If Keldon were just Keldon with Holland's size, I think that would be a huge difference maker.

    In some Holland tape I saw some of the same things I liked about Whitmore tape last year: glimpses of some Kawhi-like power and interior moves. His 3P% is definitely a major red flag for me though. My liking Holland at a potential #8 pick is really less about Holland and more about the lack of better options, tbh.
    Totally fair. I've read he's actually 6'6" which is my concern, among others. But I like his rugged determination. On our feeble team that alone could be helpful. I'm just scared of his jumper and want more quick results, so I'm leaning towards Knecht there. But this draft is like polishing a turd, hoping for magical results.

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    RC was at a game today in France to watch Risacher:

    - It's noteworthy that RC is still involved in the scouting/evaluating process. I don't know who has the final say on draft day but it seems clear that Wright won't be the only one to decide.

    - A very quiet game from Risacher (6 points in 14min). He was a non factor in this game with some early foul trouble and very little offensive involvement. He has had a concussion in February with French NT and hasn't been the same since that.

    - On the other team, Sekou Doumbouya shined with 26 points in 30 min. His first NBA stint was a disaster with personal/character issues and injuries. He is now trying to make a comeback. If he keeps his head clear and keep working hard, I wouldn't be surprised to see him back in NBA: he has for sure enough talent to play there.
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    You son of a , I’m in
    Who did I want in that draft?

    Lol. What a ing imbecile.

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    Totally fair. I've read he's actually 6'6" which is my concern, among others. But I like his rugged determination. On our feeble team that alone could be helpful. I'm just scared of his jumper and want more quick results, so I'm leaning towards Knecht there. But this draft is like polishing a turd, hoping for magical results.
    If he comes in at only 6'6" it would definitely change my view on him! I'm intrigued by Knecht as well, though I"m not sure if he is ideally what I want out of the backup SG position. I feel like a Cam Thomas type SG is the ideal 6th man on a team like this, and I'm not high on Knecht or Branham being able to be that kind of scorer. In some ways, Keldon is kind of that though more limited in his creation ability.

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    Who did I want in that draft?

    Lol. What a ing imbecile.
    This may come as a huge surprise, but I haven’t memorized the 2022 draft preferences of an anonymous internet poster named Mr. Body. What I do remember is you opening your anus wide open to receive as much semen as possible from the front office for a never-ran player.

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    [QUOTE=Bruno;11044501]


    Risacher sounds a lot like the Pas de Calais (re RC's very overt scouting).

    (And why does that guy not look at all like RC Buford?)

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    This may come as a huge surprise, but I haven’t memorized the 2022 draft preferences of an anonymous internet poster named Mr. Body. What I do remember is you opening your anus wide open to receive as much semen as possible from the front office for a never-ran player.
    The sarcasm of the first part made me laugh so hard I've got tears in my eyes and am now coughing and trying to clear my throat.

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    This may come as a huge surprise, but I haven’t memorized the 2022 draft preferences of an anonymous internet poster named Mr. Body. What I do remember is you opening your anus wide open to receive as much semen as possible from the front office for a never-ran player.
    Hey, just so you know, I'm pinking you. You're like a horsefly, just buzzing about with nothing to say. So I'm no longer going to bother.

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    People, can we really not do better in this forum? Like, even an ounce of effort? I don't really get just coming into a thread, leaving a massive , then stomping around in it. Then doing it in another thread. If you literally have nothing to say, just go somewhere else? I realize this is kind of a cesspool of a message board, because it took on timvp's toxic personality when he was younger, but there's no reason to do this "I'm a ing dip " routine over and over.

    Fortunately there is still good stuff here, otherwise this might just be the absolute worst forum in the NBA without equal.

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    Risacher sounds a lot like the Pas de Calais (re RC's very overt scouting).

    (And why does that guy not look at all like RC Buford?)
    If you tap the tweet, the photo expands, and RC is to the left of the gentleman in center frame.

    Pas de Calais, indeed. Two players the Spurs are know to have interest in are both ‘hurt’ right now. Shades of Batum and his heart condition.

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    What are your guys' favorite green flags / red flags for NBA prospects (either statistical or eye-test wise)?

    Some of the ones I've seen in the past:

    Green flags:

    Tall wings who shoot well (6'7+ with a strong shooting signal based on FT% and 3P% +/- youth)
    Tall wings with high AST rate and decent steal rate
    Centers with high block%, low fouls, large improvement in team defensive rating

    Red flags:
    Guards with limited athleticism with low shooting signal
    Defensive guards with small wingspans
    Guys whose shot diet is mainly mid-range jumpers at average efficiency
    One dimensional shooters with limited ancillary skills
    Physical specimen bigs with low "feel" (low AST%, low ST%, low AS:TO)

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    [QUOTE=Russ;11044528]


    Risacher sounds a lot like the Pas de Calais (re RC's very overt scouting).

    (And why does that guy not look at all like RC Buford?)
    haha I said the same thing. RC is in there, click the link for the larger pic and you see him

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    Hey, just so you know, I'm pinking you. You're like a horsefly, just buzzing about with nothing to say. So I'm no longer going to bother.
    Cool, thanks for letting me know!

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    Colorado on truTV at 8:10 CST

    Another look at lifeless Cody Williams who I am nonetheless enamored with the possible potential of. Cody hasn't done much of anything exceptional at all but I just feel like he's the type of physical frame and personality that Spurs could shape into a good player over a few seasons. Don't think his brother matters much directly or anything, but having basketball in the family in general has an immersive effect if Cody is receptive to that and embraces it imho.

    All forecast potential though. Way too much extrapolation so I am hesitant. Not calling a hot game or anything, just more observation but he is one on my radar that I hope does well. stick poke do something meme.jpg

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    Does he have a lottery crystal ball? Because those aren’t even remotely the current team positions.
    Come on man it was obvious from the first pick he was making his own projections.

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