Because you love 3rd stringers and borderline NBA players.
Imo the physical thing is too much to avoid about dillingham and even sheppard. They are small and not explosive, i still think they'll be good role players but i don't see too much upside or star upside like some here notably for dillingham.
Castle or Collier could be in the mix to be taken before them.
Dilly was being bumped off position by a no-name guard and that guard wasn’t even that big.
Brother, why we think Risacher so good?
Collier has fewer skills than either of the UK guys. He can’t pass or shoot well, really only being able to bull his way to the rim, and there are questions about if he’ll be able to pull that off at the next level at his size. His defense is also as bad as theirs.
I like Castle. He’s toolsy and smart, and plays in a pro style motion offense at UCONN.
Spurs could become the best defensive team in the league because of Wembanyama. Sheppard and Dillingham are defensive liabilities and won't allow that. Opponents offensive game-plan will go from being an headache to "Let's just do the obvious and attack Dilingham/Sheppard".
Spurs should only consider adding a defensive liability if it's an amazing talent that can compensate on the other end. For example, I think Trae Young is good enough to take that trade-off. Dillingham/Sheppard seem to be nowhere near good enough prospects to justify that defensive sacrifice.
Both Kentucky guards are overrated.
No shows in their first NCAA tournament game and out.
Well the ESPN piece posted right before the game on "The Case of Taking Dillingham No. 1" piece didnt age well. . .
Because we LOVE swinging between extremes, now I'm waiting for all the "Are we sure Dillingham isn't just TyTy Washington 2.0?" takes.
Right on -- there are player types you draft for, and player types for trade for. The undersized SG with deep defensive limitations + moderate playmaking skill is the latter. If they turn out to be truly special, like maybe a Trae Young, then we can happily debate how many real assets they're worth in a trade.
Yeah, I'm curious too. If the shooting is real (is it?) then i can see the case. Otherwise, I'm unclear why we wouldn't take Matas over him and work to fix his shot. At least that guy plays with some FU in him, whereas the reviews on Risacher seem to suggest that he's a bit passive?Brother, why we think Risacher so good?
He would hip check Nash into the upper deck.
He averaged just four three point attempts a game. That’s one more attempt than Sochan. He made them at a decent rate but by no means is he a proven volume shooter. Perhaps he is, but again, doesn’t appear to provide much value anywhere else. He’s SiX TeN THoUgH excuses aren’t enough. There are plenty of 6’10” stiffs in the league.
Overall i agree with you except for the passing about collier, imo he's a good passer and could have more assists if he was in a good team and with better shooters.
This is why I think Castle is going to be a prospect they'll key in on.
His assists are low, but his TOs are also really high. He’s a ing scatter gun.
People really need to stop overreacting after one game. That's Kevin O'Connor territory. I get that he gets paid for his crap, but that's his great fortune.
Nothing last night changed my opinion about Dillingham (or Sheppard). The problems are still there, the possibilities are still there. He's still one of the most talented guys in the draft. That that as you will. He was still consistently the only player who could get anything going when Kentucky bogged down. It just didn't work last night.
He hit an incredibly difficult three to take it down to a point (I believe) showing, once again, some clutch ability, then I don't think he even saw the ball again. The next possession was Sheppard walking the ball up the court and launching a super-contested three from deep that had no chance.
A lot of this, I do say, is just awful coaching. The other thing I'll say is that Dillingham was tasked with trying to stay with Gohlke. Chasing around a top shooter isn't what he normally does. He ed up several times by helping off, and that's his fault. But, again, coaching. But he did a better job sticking with him than anyone else on the team. And, I might suggest, running around so much on defense might have tired him out. However, he was, again, the only player capable of setting up his teammates.
If you've watched Collier play, he can land some really nice passes, but completely blows a lot of them. Basic lobs and skip passes. Kind of impressive the kinds of passes he blows, tbh.
4 3pts attempt on Europe translates to 5 or 6 on the NBA. Risacher can definitely shoot, the other aspects of his game are the question marks.
The Spurs can become the best team in the league, and that's not a bad goal. But is that what they want to do during these transition years? It's okay to draft liabilities if they're BPA, because you can use them as capital to trade later on. The Spurs are not close to contending; they don't have to think the guys on their roster now need to be be parts of that future. Moreover, if the Spurs for some reason think they could make a Young-like liability work and that Dillingham is a similar liability, getting him still allows the team to grow around that limitation during a stretch where Young's unlikely to be moved and the Spurs don't particularly need him. Folks know I'm not married to any of the players in this draft, but there are very few flaws any of the prospects can have that would override them being BPA. The team is just too amorphous and in need to talent to worry about such things.
his rebounding numbers are better (and he averages like 5, so its not like its his calling card or anyting). otherwise i dont think theres a single area Furphy is better
they're pretty comparable as shooters. both have good height. risacher looks like he'll have a better wingspan. risacher looks like a way more sudden athlete, way better at changing direction. he defends smaller players on switches and holds up. rissacher looks like he will wind up a plus defender in the NBA, whereas with furphy you are hoping he is neutral at best
while neither is really given playmaking duties, there are more examples ive seen of risacher handling the ball and making something happen than furphy
give me comparable shooters, but one is a better athlete, better defender, and shows more ballhandling chops, and ill explain why one is a legit lotto pick and the other might scratch into late lotto
risacher doesnt give #1 overall pick vibes but tbh nobody in this class does so he's kind of just there by default. im not letting rookie scale salaries influence my draft decisions though
Nope, Furphy is a far better rebounder. He's a better athlete, too.
I don't believe in Risacher's shooting. It's starting to tumble over the last 9 games and his free throw shooting is worse.
Anyway, I really should have gotten on you for just basic lack of literacy:
The point is taking Risacher so high is just wildly overvaluing him. The argument isn't that Furphy is necessarily better, but that one player is incredibly overranked. I'll state it again so you'll understand: I'd rather take Furphy at 21 than Risacher at 2.
Get what I'm saying? You may disagree, but actually understand what I'm saying.
Kind of funny - some energy drink features Collier in their 'March doesn't begin in March' ad campaign, it's running during these games, and he wasn't even close to making the tournament.
i understand what you are saying
id rather take risacher at 2 than furphy at 21
i dont think furphy is a better athlete. maybe he will have a slightly higher max vert leap at the combine by like an inch or two, that wouldnt necessarily shock me. but risacher looks way quicker when changing directions, both offensively and defensively. and he's a more comfortable ballhandler who puts on moves in transition in ways that furphy doesnt really attempt. neither pass much given their roles but you will see some good examples of risacher making relatively high level passes somewhat naturally.
you may lack some confidence in risacher's shooting, but furphy is at 35.6% so its not exactly like he tears the leather off the ball. i wrote off their shooting as comparable even though risacher has been better because theres some margin of error given different leagues, sample sizes, etc. when you combine eurocup with league play, risacher has shot 45% from 3 on 130 attempts while furphy has shot 35.6% on 118 attempts
no doubt the FTs are a concern for risacher... he's at 71% on the year when combining league and cup play. but again, furphy is at 76% so the difference isnt astronomical. again, im calling their shooting a wash for the sake of argument. for whatever value you assign to it, tankathon's projected nba 3pt% has them at 35.9 and 36.1
imo, risacher is better basically everywhere else
im not a pro scout. i havent watched dozens of hours of these guys, but thats my impression from what ive seen and what scouting reports from people more knowledgeable than i seem to conclude
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I agree with Mr. Body on this one. From an asset management point of view, the production you're going to get from Risacher is probably not worth it compared to drafting Furphy at 21. Yes, Risacher is likely better but In this crappy draft, three second round picks might get you the number 21 pick, but you would have to give a lot to get near the top three in any draft. Is that worth it?
Also, whoever is drafted number one is not going to be a typical number one player, and with that they're going to have even more pressure on them. Risacher at 1 has a greater pressure to bust. Same with Sarr. Same with Topic. So to me it's sort of a double whammy: drafting a player in the top three who shouldn't normally be in that range, and then the extra pressure of getting picked that highly just creates more demands for them to be better than they are.
Whoever the Spurs draft isn't going to have pressure to turn the franchise around; that pressure is squarely on Victor's shoulders. No one expects Zacharie Risacher or Alex Sarr or Rob Dillingham to make the Spurs into a contender; everyone expects Victor to.
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