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    I saw this from a random Hornets journalist about Ron Holland, and it really made me doubt that he can become a good shooter.

    1 out of 5 of your 3s being airballed/bricked means your shot is fricked.
    Looks like the third Thompson twin, last year I took a look at some of their games on YouTube (actual OTE games, not highlights) and this was one of the things that socked me the most, how bad their misses were, which is painfully obvious now in the NBA. Personally I wouldn't touch Holland, and this is the minimum work the FO should do before drafting someone expecting his shooting to improve... there aren't that many prospects and they haven't shot that many threes not to look at every single one of them, if their misses are awful then just pass, not worth the trouble.
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    I think Dillingham makes a lot more sense for Houston that we originally gave credit for. If Amen is a wing, then Dilly would be a very nice fit behind FVV for a year before taking the reins.
    I agree. I’ve seen more takes on Dilly/Houston recently, which stuck me as odd at first. But the more I think of it he’s the ideal super sub/chNge of pace guy for them.

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    I saw this from a random Hornets journalist about Ron Holland, and it really made me doubt that he can become a good shooter.

    1 out of 5 of your 3s being airballed/bricked means your shot is fricked.
    It’s not just he’s a bad shooter, but the rumblings is that the shot looks outright broken. Pass, we already have Jeremy.

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    It’s not just he’s a bad shooter, but the rumblings is that the shot looks outright broken. Pass, we already have Jeremy.
    It's why he isn't top 10 on my Spurs board and 15 on my overall board. I believe his shot is broken.

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    I saw this from a random Hornets journalist about Ron Holland, and it really made me doubt that he can become a good shooter.

    1 out of 5 of your 3s being airballed/bricked means your shot is fricked.
    Matas's splits look pretty similar.

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    That rebound total is actually quite encouraging though. What is the game like in France in terms of the physicality on the boards? If I remember correctly, Wemby was a sub 10rpg player for Mets92, right? He obviously turned that into 10.6 rpg his rookie year. If Risacher is a reliable rebounder, that adds another dimension to his game that the Spurs actually are in quite need of (we were in the top half of the league in team rpg, but bottom third in contested reb %)
    Risacher hasn't struck me as an especially good or bad rebounder when I saw him play. His rebounding numbers over the season are quite low but it's logical given that he spend a lot of time on the perimeter on both end of the court.

    Regarding a France/NBA rebounding comparison, I'm not sure but I would say rebounding with FIBA rules is more centered around bigmen than in NBA because there isn't a defensive 3 seconds rule in FIBA.

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    Amen and Ausar shot .138 and .186 from three this season.

    Just astounding.

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    Dilly looks like the best natural basketball talent. He will slice and dice up opposing defenses, even nba ones. Kyrie, Iverson, Isiah Thomas (the little one). He will be an amazing offensive force and probably the perfect complement to Wemby.
    I'm one of the biggest Dillingham fans on the board but he is nowhere close to the ballhandler Kyrie is or was at that age. If he was he'd be an almost guarantee to go #1.

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    Matas's splits look pretty similar.
    Matas bad misses were way lower

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    Trae Young and Allen Iverson. Ja Morant and Mike Conley weigh 175 lbs. Even Dejounte came into the league at 162 lbs, though he's filled out to 180 since then.
    10 lbs are quite a lot in that weight class. and Dillingham isn‘t the athlete Conley or Morant are (or was in Conley‘s case). Conley is very small, but he has a plus 7“ wingspan and he was a pretty strong guy already at the draft. (could jump out of the gym and was super fast). Dejounte was 170lbs and obviously he was much taller plus some spider arms.

    Dillingham is small, leight and has no lenght to compensate for that. I can‘t see who he might compare to, who was a success story.

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    I'm one of the biggest Dillingham fans on the board but he is nowhere close to the ballhandler Kyrie is or was at that age. If he was he'd be an almost guarantee to go #1.
    Eh... Dillingham's ballhandling is much better than 'nowhere close' to Kyrie. Dillingham's handles are absolutely superb and elite for his age.

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    I don't see any reason to weep for ten pounds difference in small guards. What, are they going to be picking up Jokic or Embiid on a roll to the hoop? Reed Sheppard isn't going to be having any different luck if he's slightly bigger. He might have trouble against a big guard like Brunson, like maybe posting him up, but you're going to have that problem anyway. It's another measurement that's not a big deal once it's past a certain point. No one here could say what Jason Tatum's wingspan is because it doesn't matter.

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    The Dillingham to Houston at 3 thing is interesting. His fit seems odd with Sengun and Green, both whom are volume scorers and need the ball in their hands. Sheppard seems like a better complementary piece as a catch and shoot spot up floor spreader, or even Clingan since they need size up front depending on Adams health. I guess it somewhat depends on their view of Green. He put up some insane numbers for a stretch after Sengun got hurt and he's only 21 years old, but still... how much do you trust that guy and what kind of extension are they going to drop on him? If they don't see him as a long term piece, then Dillingham makes more sense.

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    I don't see any reason to weep for ten pounds difference in small guards. What, are they going to be picking up Jokic or Embiid on a roll to the hoop? Reed Sheppard isn't going to be having any different luck if he's slightly bigger. He might have trouble against a big guard like Brunson, like maybe posting him up, but you're going to have that problem anyway. It's another measurement that's not a big deal once it's past a certain point. No one here could say what Jason Tatum's wingspan is because it doesn't matter.
    The biggest question mark on defense is the ability to go over screens at a well enough rate. If Dillingham can not be a complete dead end in that, Victor won't have to worry about consistently going against 2 players.

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    I'm not surprised if that's true about Dillingham. I think he's going to shred workouts. I wouldn't even be surprised if the supposed Wright grimace during the lottery was due to fear Washington or the Rockets take him first. Dillingham on the Rockets would be a horror show for us.
    I highly doubt it but it's just my feeling i see the spurs interested in dillingham but less than sarr, risacher or topic for example

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    What puzzled me about Dillingham weight is that last summer he was reportedly at 172 lbs.

    For reminder, he weighted 164.2lbs at the combine

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    I don't see any reason to weep for ten pounds difference in small guards. What, are they going to be picking up Jokic or Embiid on a roll to the hoop? Reed Sheppard isn't going to be having any different luck if he's slightly bigger. He might have trouble against a big guard like Brunson, like maybe posting him up, but you're going to have that problem anyway. It's another measurement that's not a big deal once it's past a certain point. No one here could say what Jason Tatum's wingspan is because it doesn't matter.
    if weight and strength was that meaningless for guards anyway, the NBA would be full of 6 foot guards under 170. but it ain‘t.

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    I think the question for dillingham is the D, even if he's small he'll be good on offense. I listened to a pod who labelled him as a bad defender who'll never be an average one. will the spurs take the flyer for the offensive side, we'll see if he's there at 4

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    The Dillingham to Houston at 3 thing is interesting. His fit seems odd with Sengun and Green, both whom are volume scorers and need the ball in their hands. Sheppard seems like a better complementary piece as a catch and shoot spot up floor spreader, or even Clingan since they need size up front depending on Adams health. I guess it somewhat depends on their view of Green. He put up some insane numbers for a stretch after Sengun got hurt and he's only 21 years old, but still... how much do you trust that guy and what kind of extension are they going to drop on him? If they don't see him as a long term piece, then Dillingham makes more sense.
    My assumption in thinking Dillingham to Rox is that Jalen Green is getting moved. I'm not swayed by late-season explosions. Like last year everyone thought Shaeden Sharpe was going to be godly because he was turning out. Yeah, he was hurt this season, but he's still the same lazy, non-winning player he always was. Green won't change. I mean, he might, but he won't.

    Rockets boards seem to be all over Reed Sheppard. I think they're going to try to trade down.

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    The biggest question mark on defense is the ability to go over screens at a well enough rate. If Dillingham can not be a complete dead end in that, Victor won't have to worry about consistently going against 2 players.
    This is where RD is potentially improvable. He's very quick and does get around screens. It's the rest where he's garbage -- disengages, starts ball-watching, bad rotations. But he has the quickness to navigate screens, plus his shiftiness with the ball also helps here. He's very light and quick with his direction changes. You know who does die on screens? The supposedly much better on defense Reed Sheppard.

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    if weight and strength was that meaningless for guards anyway, the NBA would be full of 6 foot guards under 170. but it ain‘t.
    I didn't say it's meaningless. Please, for God's sake, read what people write. I said that after a certain point the small variations don't matter a whole lot.

    Funnily enough, there was a good analysis I think on nba_draft where the guy sifted through years of drafts. Centers who are drafted high in the lottery have a very high chance of busting. The smaller a player selected high the lottery? Higher chance of hitting. (High lottery meaning around top 8 picks or so.)

    What's crazy is that this is right. Men over seven feet tall, or thereabouts, are about 1 in 6 chance of playing in the NBA. The likelihood of those guys actually being good at basketball is pretty slim, given the size of the population.

    But then the smaller you get, the wider the population. Which means that if you're getting drafted into the NBA, the chances are that you're very good at what you do. Basically, no one's taking fliers on 6'1" dudes. They're taking fliers on 6'8" athletes who don't know how to play, or 7'0" guys who are probably even worse players.

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    Eh... Dillingham's ballhandling is much better than 'nowhere close' to Kyrie. Dillingham's handles are absolutely superb and elite for his age.
    Irving's handles were NBA level elite in high school and he might be the best ballhandler in the history of the league.

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    Looks like the third Thompson twin, last year I took a look at some of their games on YouTube (actual OTE games, not highlights) and this was one of the things that socked me the most, how bad their misses were, which is painfully obvious now in the NBA. Personally I wouldn't touch Holland, and this is the minimum work the FO should do before drafting someone expecting his shooting to improve... there aren't that many prospects and they haven't shot that many threes not to look at every single one of them, if their misses are awful then just pass, not worth the trouble.
    This is an interesting deep dive. I wonder how this compares with someone like Sochan (who often misses badly as well, and who I'm not looking to replicate on this team as far as shooting goes).

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    Picking any perimeter players with a non-existant shouldn't happen again. We got plenty of those already.
    As already mentioned Thompson twins were far better prospects than anyone in this draft and would probably both go in top3 and yet neither one of them has looked good.

    Modern NBA is all about shooting and if your shot isn't respected being great in every other aspect of the game won't help.
    With that being said, there are obviously some prospect that can have their shot fixed, it's up to PATFO to decide which ones.

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    The biggest question mark on defense is the ability to go over screens at a well enough rate. If Dillingham can not be a complete dead end in that, Victor won't have to worry about consistently going against 2 players.
    https://youtu.be/51SOz3uBaE0?t=289
    "My defense lacks at time but I feel like when I actually give effort and I know the game plan then I really know what to do.
    Sometimes I don't know the game plan so I'm halfway going, but I feel like when I actually know the game plan and everything I'm a great defender when it comes to being on the ball
    Looks like he isn´t used to trying, towards the end he at least he played like he cared, if the Spurs feel like they can get him 100% committed then he can be a net positive, otherwise it's going to be rough.

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