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    reports are saying the Cavs are looking to move Allen and Garland might ask for a trade if they resign Mitc which right now seems likely. On the other hand teams like the Lakers, Magic and whoever else needs a PG will be all over this as well, which might drive the price up.


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    Don't think second round picks are going to get you Bruce Brown. If it does Spurs should be all over it though.
    I'd be pretty surprised to see Toronto pick up their $23 million team option on him since he was basically replacement value this season.

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    The fly in the ointment of my proposals is the Cavaliers don't address the gaping hole at PF in either. Trading both Garland and Allen without doing so seems unlikely.

    reports are saying the Cavs are looking to move Allen and Garland might ask for a trade if they resign Mitc which right now seems likely. On the other hand teams like the Lakers, Magic and whoever else needs a PG will be all over this as well, which might drive the price up.

    The Lakers can make a compelling offer with Hachimura (ideal fit next to Mobley) and Reaves.

    I'm skeptical he's the lead guard the Magic are seeking, but we'll see.

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    I'd be pretty surprised to see Toronto pick up their $23 million team option on him since he was basically replacement value this season.
    i think they'll pick it up with the hopes of trading him

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    i think they'll pick it up with the hopes of trading him
    I guess they could try to get a pick by trading his expiring for a long term deal someone wants to get out of.

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    I'm anti-Garland, but a trade of Keldon, Tre, Malaki and zero picks I think it's a fair price. I could get behind that.

    Keldon as a key, perhaps 3rd scorer getting starter minutes with cost certainty, a 20+ mpg rotation steady back up point guard, and hometown kid Branham as a prospect, that's actually a very good return for a guy who has a disastrous season and is getting run out of town by Mitc . Cuts into their capspace more than I'd like but it is what it is

    No picks for Garland please

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    I'm anti-Garland, but a trade of Keldon, Tre, Malaki and zero picks I think it's a fair price. I could get behind that.

    Keldon as a key, perhaps 3rd scorer getting starter minutes with cost certainty, a 20+ mpg rotation steady back up point guard, and hometown kid Branham as a prospect, that's actually a very good return for a guy who has a disastrous season and is getting run out of town by Mitc . Cuts into their capspace more than I'd like but it is what it is

    No picks for Garland please
    Cleveland laughs, and hangs up the phone. He was an All Star the year before they brought in that cancer Mitc . He’s allegedly drawing a LOT more interest than Trae Young.

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    Cleveland laughs, and hangs up the phone. He was an All Star the year before they brought in that cancer Mitc . He’s allegedly drawing a LOT more interest than Trae Young.
    Garland is a lot of empty calories.

    Not worth 40 mil over next 4 years.

    Spurs won’t do this. Same with Trae.

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    Cleveland laughs, and hangs up the phone. He was an All Star the year before they brought in that cancer Mitc . He’s allegedly drawing a LOT more interest than Trae Young.
    He isn't drawing that interest because everyone views him as better than Trae. He's drawing it because he's cheaper and cost controlled. Cheaper in terms of the package it'll take to acquire him and he's locked in on his contract longer.

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    To Cavaliers: Ingram, Jones, 21, 35, Bulls '25 1st

    To Pelicans: Allen, Johnson, 8

    To Spurs: Garland, 20
    So in other words, 2024 would be the Spurs 4/20 draft, if you will

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    He isn't drawing that interest because everyone views him as better than Trae. He's drawing it because he's cheaper and cost controlled. Cheaper in terms of the package it'll take to acquire him and he's locked in on his contract longer.
    That and the coachability. Rightly or wrongly Trae is going to have to reinvent himself at his next stop to shed the perceived selfish. Garland is the opposite, perhaps maybe too deferential based on this past season.

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    He isn't drawing that interest because everyone views him as better than Trae. He's drawing it because he's cheaper and cost controlled. Cheaper in terms of the package it'll take to acquire him and he's locked in on his contract longer.
    I didn’t say he was better, just drawing more interest. One thing, though. Even in his AS season, his USG% was only 27.8, and that was his career high. He might not be better,but he could be better for us as a non-heliocentric guard.

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    I didn’t say he was better, just drawing more interest. One thing, though. Even in his AS season, his USG% was only 27.8, and that was his career high. He might not be better,but he could be better for us as a non-heliocentric guard.
    I'd rather have him than Trae as well. He's a better fit, cheaper in assets and contract going forward. Something along the lines of TD's package would interest me, but I probably would go much beyond that.

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    I'm going to make a run at Doughie McDermott.

    Otherwise we like what we have.

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    I'm going to make a run at Doughie McDermott.

    Otherwise we like what we have.
    Better than wasting the 8th pick on Kencht tbh.

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    Garland is a lot of empty calories.

    Not worth 40 mil over next 4 years.

    Spurs won’t do this. Same with Trae.
    Damn, was thinking he was making more like $33 million a year on his deal. Though with the new TV deal that contract probably won't look so bad.

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    Damn, was thinking he was making more like $33 million a year on his deal. Though with the new TV deal that contract probably won't look so bad.
    The Spurs can afford to pay Garland while Wemby is on his rookie deal. It's 36, 39, 42, 44 over the next 4 years. With the cap going up it's gonna look decent later. Largely depends on the Cavs asking price, his stock should be somewhat down with Mitc taking his usage away which let his numbers drop.

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    Damn, was thinking he was making more like $33 million a year on his deal. Though with the new TV deal that contract probably won't look so bad.
    36m, 39, 42, 44m over the next 4 year.

    But interestingly before the new TV deal goes into effect, his percent of cap hit goes down each year:

    26%, 25, 24, 23%

    Expect that will decline further. It’s gonna take us all time to get adjusted to sticker shock, but reality is that the % of cap is what matters.

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    36m, 39, 42, 44m over the next 4 year.

    But interestingly before the new TV deal goes into effect, his percent of cap hit goes down each year:

    26%, 25, 24, 23%

    Expect that will decline further. It’s gonna take us all time to get adjusted to sticker shock, but reality is that the % of cap is what matters.
    Meanwhile over the same 4 year period, as % of cap:

    Vassell: 20, 17, 15, 13%
    Wemby: 9, 8, 9, TBD

    So for the next 4 year that “Big 3” is:

    55, 50, 48, TBD

    That’s a good cap situation to still be able to build around 4 years. And after Wemby signs his extension you can move on from Dev and Darius to build around (hopefully) some of these draft picks coming up.

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    Garland is a lot of empty calories.

    Not worth 40 mil over next 4 years.

    Spurs won’t do this. Same with Trae.
    Garland is a better player than everyone not named Victor on the Spurs. A lot of players are going to make 40M a year. People just need to get used to the salaries increases.

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    Garland is a better player than everyone not named Victor on the Spurs. A lot of players are going to make 40M a year. People just need to get used to the salaries increases.
    Yeah think I'd jump on a deal of say #4 + Keldon for Galand.

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    Yeah think I'd jump on a deal of say #4 + Keldon for Galand.
    The ask has to be at least three FRPs. They would laugh at that offer.

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    The ask has to be at least three FRPs. They would laugh at that offer.
    Way too rich of an offer considering how good the Spurs picks they have right now are. That's what a solid playoff team whose picks are going to be in the 20s would have to offer.

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    Way too rich of an offer considering how good the Spurs picks they have right now are. That's what a solid playoff team whose picks are going to be in the 20s would have to offer.
    At the same time, CLE probably isn't too excited about bringing on a #4 pick. I think Garland to the Spurs only really works in a 3-team deal where CLE gets a useful player and the draft capital goes elsewhere. The 3-way deal with NO that I think TD 21 posted seems to be the best I've seen thus far.

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    At the same time, CLE probably isn't too excited about bringing on a #4 pick. I think Garland to the Spurs only really works in a 3-team deal where CLE gets a useful player and the draft capital goes elsewhere. The 3-way deal with NO that I think TD 21 posted seems to be the best I've seen thus far.
    Moving Tre, Keldon, and two lottery picks for Garland + 20 is a bit steep IMO, especially when Cleveland is a motivated seller on Garland with how bad a fit he is next to Mitc . Only worth it if you think he's an allstar here. Otherwise I'd rather roll the dice on Dillingham and hope to put 15 pounds on him in the next year or two.

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