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"None. We just look at the metrics and we read a lot from some NBA twitter guys posting videos discussing prospects. Why?"
Castle's strength is defense against those driving to the basket with Clingan waiting for the possible block. His weakness is closing out on three pointers. Castle's in game misses are bad. I might choose Castle if he is a point guard but I don't see it. Tristen Newton was clearly the point guard of UConn.
"None. We just look at the metrics and we read a lot from some NBA twitter guys posting videos discussing prospects. Why?"
Oh, you want informed opinions? There are a handful of those here but you might want to widen your net if that's what you're after.
I haven't watched Holland, Sarr or Topic.
Fair enough. I forgot about the tournament (the most important ^^)
He looks more athletic than Black.
I didn't like Black but I like Castle. Black has already improved his 3 pt shooting.
Forget those Kentucky guards. They won't be 20 point a game league scorers.
They are bench players at most. I like Sheppard more as a coming off the bench option.
Dillingham is too small and is going to get cooked on defense and played off the floor. We saw how they folded up in their first tournament game.
They both ran point actions.
Castle is very clearly a guard. That's what he played in NCAA. More importantly, it's who he defended. He played point in high school.
I'm a bit confused about what people think drafting players is. Like, do you think you're going to be drafting a complete all around player right off the bat? Because that almost never happens.
What's also confusing is that... defense is important? Really important. I get that there's a brigade here that thinks we don't have to play defense at all. (These are the same people who have hissy fits when some guard drops 60 points on us or we can't stop teams in general.)
So there's this constant back and forth complaining about not having offensive players who can shoot and then complaining about not having defense.
It's practically impossible to get both at the same time in a prospect. Especially in this draft, you're getting one or the other at best. The reason for so much discussion about defensive guards last draft (trading up) is that... we need defense. If you want Luka Doncic to break into the lane and throw embarrassing lobs to Derek Lively time and time again, that's your thing. But at least an Anthony Black has the size, mobility, and skill to possibly slow Doncic down so those lobs aren't automatic and his deep range bombs aren't automatic.
If Sarr, Risacher and Castle go in the top three. Worst case scenario
That puts the Spurs in a tough spot. I don't see them drafting Dillingham at 4 or even at 8.
They will probably go with Topic.
I was thinking about the great do entary Hoop Dreams this morning, and remembering how midway through the movie Gates seemed so much more mature than Agee, but by the end Agee was the better player. It seemed like such a crazy twist in the plot at the time, but in a scouting world where players are only 19 and 20, it happens all the time. There's a distinct possibility that "doing all of your homework" only raises the chances of you being right by 10-20%, or something like that. The endless blathering on about Primo's uncanny maturity and incredibly high character was pretty much proof of that.
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It’s funny how no one here have the same hopes for this draft, some want Risacher, others want Castle or Topic, some even want Clingan.
That will be an interesting draft night !
Actually the majority here has Risacher, Castle, Sarr and Dillingham as their top 4 from what I‘ve seen, just in different orders. I agree with that.
frickin' great film. it's so cool to see the two of them hosting a podcast together now.
Since there is so much up in the air I feel like the 4 is the perfect spot to pick. I'd say theres a high chance some of the first 3 teams will pick completely unexpectedly overthinking a pick and someone top 3 will be someone no one expected.
I don't expect them to be. Also, neither is Castle. The Kentucky guards, at least, have a much bigger chance of becoming rotation pieces, specially Sheppard. Castle could be out of the league by year 3.
The 20 ppg goal is completely arbitrary. I'd much rather have a guy who defends and puts up something like 16/7/4 with good shooting percentages and good impact over a guy who wants to be the star of the show. Anyone joining the Spurs has to recognize that Wemby is the #1 guy.
Each prospect just has so many question marks tbh. It's a unique draft in that sense. Literally every prospect in the lottery has major flaws/weaknesses, which makes it difficult to project not only their fit, but whether or not they'll even be serviceable role players. Should be a fun draft night indeed. I do think there will end up being at least 2-3 prospects who become All-Stars down the line though, as is with most drafts.
There's a difference between drafting a bad shooter but that you know has a big chance of improving in that area, and someone that was given 15 ft of cushion in the NCAA tournament by opposing coaches.
Also, context matters. If we hadn't recently drafted tens of prospects with iffy shooting that haven't really panned out, then I might be more on board with drafting Castle (for example, I was excited about drafting guys like Kawhi and Sochan), but after the Keldons, Samanics, Brahnams, Wesleys, I need a rest and switch it up a little. Draft some shooters for once and try to work on the rest of their game. You might get the next Aaron Nesmith or Brandin Podziemski, guys who were thought to be nothing but shooters coming out of college and ended up being well rounded rotation pieces in the NBA.
Defense is the hardest thing to translate to the NBA, the pace and spacing is just too different to any other type of basketball played (college or overseas). Vassell and Sochan were suppossed to be elite defensive players in college and people here can't stop ing about their defense.What's also confusing is that... defense is important? Really important. I get that there's a brigade here that thinks we don't have to play defense at all. (These are the same people who have hissy fits when some guard drops 60 points on us or we can't stop teams in general.)
So there's this constant back and forth complaining about not having offensive players who can shoot and then complaining about not having defense.
It's practically impossible to get both at the same time in a prospect. Especially in this draft, you're getting one or the other at best. The reason for so much discussion about defensive guards last draft (trading up) is that... we need defense. If you want Luka Doncic to break into the lane and throw embarrassing lobs to Derek Lively time and time again, that's your thing. But at least an Anthony Black has the size, mobility, and skill to possibly slow Doncic down so those lobs aren't automatic and his deep range bombs aren't automatic.
Sure, you can hit on a Kawhi here and there, but drafting for defense is about the most useless thing a franchise can do. Nobody goes into a draft thinking "we are gonna get ourselves the next Bruce Bowen". If you want to secure defense, just sign a couple of 3 and D guys from free agency, tbh.
Granted it was a very small sample size, but I starting digging into some of Castle's high school film to see what he looked like running point. While he played "point guard" and showed some decent passing chops and iq, he's not what I would call a pass-first guy. Mostly, he's looking to score for himself and he does some nice crafty in the mid-range. I saw the Derozan comparison earlier, but he's not as explosive or athletic as DDR. SGA wouldn't be a terrible comp -- although I can't imagine Castle achieves anywhere near those type of heights offensively. SGA has a freakish wingspan and was a better shooter at the same age, but Castle has a certain pacing and control to his game that is reminiscent.
I gotta think that Sarr and Risacher go 1/2, in either order. Not that either of those franchises will follow any sort of rational pathway, but I imagine they will get skewered for deviating from status quo that early in the draft. Houston has been big on BPA, but I would be pretty surprised to see them take Castle after drafting Thompson last year especially with a bit of a roster glut on the wings. They also are in more of a win now mode and if they can get any sort of immediate contribution from say Clingan or Sheppard, it makes more sense than taking a flyer on another project especially when their developmental minutes are so scarce. But yeah, Topic might make the most sense in that scenario. Or maybe Buzelis.
I'll bet Dillingham scores more than 20 ppg at some point in his career. Look at how he stacks up to other Kentucky guards of similar stature:
https://www.tankathon.com/players/co...ox--malik-monk
Fox and Maxey score well above 20 in the NBA. Monk has only scored 15 ppg, Quickley scored 18 ppg for Toronto this year and may go above 20 next year.
Check them coming out of college. Per 36, Dillingham has them all beat in ppg, assists, and was easily the best shooter, even better than Monk. His 3pt% clears them all.
I'd rather draft a Patty Mills than a Blake Wesley, tbh. At least the former wouldn't be a complete waste of a lottery pick, tbh.And Spurstalk always has a thing for midgets who can’t play an ounce of defense somethings never change
EVERYONE on the UConn squad was a PG, even Clingan. Part of that system is reading and reacting. If there’s a pin down screen, and the defender cheats over it, even the center has to react to the back cut, and hit the cutter. The fact that you took time to type that statement makes me think you didn’t watch 5 minutes of UConn bball this year.
I really hope Risacher is available at 4, that would simplify things a lot for PATFO's drafting process. Just get the only 6'9" ish forward that can shoot at 4, and then let the others decide which guard you are gonna take at 8 (Sheppard, Dillingham, Castle or Topic).
if by saying that you also mean james bouknight was a point guard, i’ll rest my case.
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