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    Think of it this way, we at least get two tries to find a player that’s better than our compe ors. They only get one pull on the handle.

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    Well it looks Detroit is going to fire there GM

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    Well it looks Detroit is going to fire there GM
    maybe he can joint Brian Wright. We like them Detroit GMs

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    We have to get Knecht in this team somehow. We already saw glimpses of the goodness with Dougie. Embiid and Red when Embiid is still a raw playmaker and Red has a few good years left. How good would it be if their primes align and with years playing together. Is it worth passing up for a Marcus Smart or a Lou Williams.

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    We have to get Knecht in this team somehow. We already saw glimpses of the goodness with Dougie. Embiid and Red when Embiid is still a raw playmaker and Red has a few good years left. How good would it be if their primes align and with years playing together. Is it worth passing up for a Marcus Smart or a Lou Williams.
    Good chance Knecht is still on the board at 8. Definitely he would bring shooting to the table. He has limited upside though I think. The Spurs might take a flyer on someone like Cody Williams at 8 instead. We’ll see.

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    Of course it was a low ball offer. Pick #29 usually doesn't stick around in the league and the Raptors were going to give DeRozan away anyways. From Toronto's perspective the deal was basically Poeltl plus crap for an MVP candidate and one of the top 3 and D role players in the league, an insanely unbalanced trade. The Spurs already had a deal for DeRozan on the table that they tried to sell Kawhi on to convince him to stay, it's not like you needed to give up a star to get Demar at the time.
    Which is why I'll always say the credibility of him was shot and by extension the integrity of that championship was compromised.

    If Silver had the foresight to see that it'd mean open season for players on franchises and the backbone to put his relationship with that franchise aside, it never would have been allowed to get to that point.

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    The trade was for a one-year rental of a player with degenerative knees. It worked out for the Raptors that one year as his knees held up, but then he walked. Since then he’s been an albatross for the Clippers.

    It sucks the way he did the Spurs dirty, but they would be worse off had he never pulled that BS because he can’t stay on the court.

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    It worked out for them the second it was consummated because it put them a Curry/Durant injury away (and if any team was ever due, it was that one) from a championship.

    Any team would do that without thinking when the most valuable asset given up was Poeltl (and they already had two other starting C's, Valanciunas and Ibaka).

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    Well it looks Detroit is going to fire there GM
    This would have been a relevant headline 3 years ago. The horse has been out of the barn since he passed on Mobley,Barnes, and Wagner in one draft.

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    It worked out for them the second it was consummated because it put them a Curry/Durant injury away (and if any team was ever due, it was that one) from a championship.

    Any team would do that without thinking when the most valuable asset given up was Poeltl (and they already had two other starting C's, Valanciunas and Ibaka).
    People all over DD, but he’s had two All Star selections and one All NBA selection in Chicago. Not sure Poeltl was the key piece.

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    Well it looks Detroit is going to fire there GM
    First piece that needed to happen. Next is giving that crazy roster shape, including by dealing with the funky Cade-Ivey fit situation

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    Good chance Knecht is still on the board at 8. Definitely he would bring shooting to the table. He has limited upside though I think. The Spurs might take a flyer on someone like Cody Williams at 8 instead. We’ll see.
    Why use a high draft pick on a one way player with a very limited upside at 23 going on 24 years old.

    Yes he can shoot.

    Yes he scored well at Tennessee but he would be a Doug or Cedi type here. If you want that kind of shooter thats average to below average on D with some shot creation in secondary opportunities just bring Cedi back and use the pick on a player with higher upside.

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    Why use a high draft pick on a one way player with a very limited upside at 23 going on 24 years old.

    Yes he can shoot.

    Yes he scored well at Tennessee but he would be a Doug or Cedi type here. If you want that kind of shooter thats average to below average on D with some shot creation in secondary opportunities just bring Cedi back and use the pick on a player with higher upside.
    I think he's got a good bit more upside than cedi or doug, especially when you consider his late growth spurt that changed his game. He's closer to a 20 year old experience-wise with the game he plays now.

    Let me pose a philosophical question based on your premise that the young guys like Williams have alot more upside. What if Front offices around the league determine that these young guys don't have nearly as much upside as normal drafts? Do they draft them anyway or does it move guys like Knecht, Edey, Tristan Da Silva etc up? And how far?

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    Why use a high draft pick on a one way player with a very limited upside at 23 going on 24 years old.

    Yes he can shoot.

    Yes he scored well at Tennessee but he would be a Doug or Cedi type here. If you want that kind of shooter thats average to below average on D with some shot creation in secondary opportunities just bring Cedi back and use the pick on a player with higher upside.
    I believe a below average on D Dougie is +10 net player when paired with Wemby. I think this is Red -Embiid type pairing, they registered the highest net in 18-19 among rotation player who had all-nba guys in Butler, Simons and a borderline sub all star in Harris when they were on opposite sides of their careers, career high for Red and best playmaking season of Embiid until Maxey. I believe Knecht is the best non-star outcome prospect in this draft on a team with Wemby. Get Knecht then play find the Giannis with Salaun.

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    People all over DD, but he’s had two All Star selections and one All NBA selection in Chicago. Not sure Poeltl was the key piece.
    You mean the guy who shady Ujiri was shopping for 1-2 years before he found a sucker because he couldn't get value for? The same guy who's teams are almost always better (save 1-2 seasons and even then, it was barely), often significantly so, with him off the floor?

    He, like others over time, made it due to cir stances benefitting him more than impact befitting of. His old school persona appealed to coaches and his counting stats and their being mediocre enough in a weak conference paved the way.

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    Salaun and Knecht are top tier fits with Wemby at their median outcome. Timvp got to move them up over these guards that can easily be drafted over.

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    With the latest Topic measurements news he is out of my top ten altogether. I'm not sure about movement otherwise, this is all gut feeling anyway... I am cooling off on Holland a bit and warming up to Buzelis maybe? I think you take a guard with the first pick so you can take BPA at 8. The Spurs have a lot of needs. But they must draft at least one proven natural shooter so for me if you want a wing player out of the Buzelis/Holland/Williams/God forbid Salaun group, you have to take Sheppard over Castle. Otherwise you are kind of required to draft a Knecht/Carter/McCain at 8 and you could miss out on a more talented player. Or do you just say screw it and add two more crappy shooters to this team? It seems unfathomable.

    1. Dilly
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    Good chance Knecht is still on the board at 8. Definitely he would bring shooting to the table. He has limited upside though I think. The Spurs might take a flyer on someone like Cody Williams at 8 instead. We’ll see.
    Cody worries me. He seems to be a little fragile. Also, he is not very assertive on either end of the court. It is as if he just goes through the motions. His play makes SloMo seem fast.

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    Cody worries me. He seems to be a little fragile. Also, he is not very assertive on either end of the court. It is as if he just goes through the motions. His play makes SloMo seem fast.
    just read some rumors about Cody. (take it with a grain of salt, it was from nbadraft.net)
    they say there is a lot of interest for Cody in the top region of the lottery. mentioned were Spurs and Hornets, and, that's quite interesting, the Hawks. so there is speculation, that the Hawks might be willing to trade down a bit and get Cody, for example at 4.
    so or so, but it's for sure not given, that Cody will still be there at pick 8.
    teams might not be worried that much that he can't gain weight. and I don't share the impression, that he is slow (or plays slow). he is very fluid and IMO therefore he doesn't look dynamik, which is sometimes mistaken for being slow.

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    just read some rumors about Cody. (take it with a grain of salt, it was from nbadraft.net)
    they say there is a lot of interest for Cody in the top region of the lottery. mentioned were Spurs and Hornets, and, that's quite interesting, the Hawks. so there is speculation, that the Hawks might be willing to trade down a bit and get Cody, for example at 4.
    so or so, but it's for sure not given, that Cody will still be there at pick 8.
    teams might not be worried that much that he can't gain weight. and I don't share the impression, that he is slow (or plays slow). he is very fluid and IMO therefore he doesn't look dynamik, which is sometimes mistaken for being slow.
    I like Cody but would like them to move back from 8 to grab him later and pick up an asset.

    e.g., 8, 35, Wesley for Ayo, 11

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    gonna be crazy when OKC picks Cody Williams and runs the Williams bros duo lol.

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    you know what you get with Knecht. It's a know asset, a shooter. If you don't take him at 8 it's malpractice. Dude can pop from 3 anytime you want. Its a no brainer

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    People all over DD, but he’s had two All Star selections and one All NBA selection in Chicago. Not sure Poeltl was the key piece.
    DD is & always has been. I can’t think of a “star” player who scores more worthless, empty points than DD. I couldn’t stand watching him play for the Spurs.

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    just read some rumors about Cody. (take it with a grain of salt, it was from nbadraft.net)
    they say there is a lot of interest for Cody in the top region of the lottery. mentioned were Spurs and Hornets, and, that's quite interesting, the Hawks. so there is speculation, that the Hawks might be willing to trade down a bit and get Cody, for example at 4.
    so or so, but it's for sure not given, that Cody will still be there at pick 8.
    teams might not be worried that much that he can't gain weight. and I don't share the impression, that he is slow (or plays slow). he is very fluid and IMO therefore he doesn't look dynamik, which is sometimes mistaken for being slow.
    If he goes that high then somebody's dropping.... I like that...

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