For conversation sake, Dillingham maxes out as Malik Monk and Carter maxes out as George Hill. Who do you want?
The last sentence is key. He won’t ever be big enough to be a plus defender, but he does show effort (at times). Will he understand more complex defensive schemes since he admitted ye didn’t always understand the game plan. Is that laziness or lack of intelligence?
League sources believe the San Antonio Spurs aren't likely based on what they're signaling to agents. We're hearing teams prefer bigger positional prospects.
Although it’s tempting to classify this as smokescreen, this might actually be real. It’s not like the Spurs are going around telling agents they don’t like Dillingham, which is extremely unlikely. More likely, they’re telling agents they value positional size, which would rule out Dillingham.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-2-weeks-to-go
I mean, what agents? Are the Spurs telling other agents that they don't want Dillingham? Are they telling agents that they want positional size? Hold the presses, a team wants taller players rather than smaller ones. That's crazy! Put it on the front page.
Dillingham is only now starting workouts. Did the Spurs call all the other agents and say, Just so you know, we're not letting Dillingham come. No reason we're telling you this, just thought you should know.
Him coming in at only 164 kind of snuck up on us when he was listed 176 all year. 176 as a baseline would have been enough that a couple of years in the weight room could have gotten him to a reasonable starting PG size (6'2" 185-190 lbs). Hard to see him hitting that starting from a base of 164 though unless he goes Beno with the breakfast tacos. Really got me valuing Castle and Sheppard over him as much as I really liked Dillingham when I thought he was 176.
Part of me feels like teams should have been able to look at him and know he wasn't 176. And whether the scale says 176 or 164 or any number in between... it was obvious just looking at him that he was little and his size was going to be an issue. I guess the 164 just didn't really catch me off guard at all.
I just hate when people change their opinion of a player just because of 12lbs, it's ridiculous.
As you said, we all saw his actual size and playstyle.
I'd argue that it's better that he was at 164 than 176 because he'll have an easier time putting on extra weight without losing speed. Being that weak with 12lbs extra would've been even more concerning.
While size obviously severely limits his defensive potential, we've seen last night that size doesn't matter if you don't put any effort in.
He'll most likely always be a negative defender, but his skillset and upside is the highest in his draft.
Imo, if Spurs don't pick Sheppard at #4 and Dillingham is available at #8, it's an easy choice. Can't miss out on such three level scoring potential when you already have a rookie guaranteed to contribute (Risacher/Castle in this scenario).
176 is pretty light too and I just thought oh he looks like 2001 draft day Tony Parker levels of smallish when I'd watch Kentucky games.
Why is it ridiculous? At 164 he's probably too small to reach 185-190 like Parker did without some major negative consequences. At 176 as a baseline it probably wouldn't have been a problem.
San Antonio can get Rob Dillingham to 190, no problem. We've all seen those "skinny fat guys" with slight frames but a beer/taco belly
Already said I don't think the Beno breakfast taco route is a good path for DillySan Antonio can get Rob Dillingham to 190, no problem. We've all seen those "skinny fat guys" with slight frames but a beer/taco belly
dilly's quickness is part of his allure. he's not in the fat pg archetype. thats something sheppard can gravitate toward, go for a FVV/Lowry buildSan Antonio can get Rob Dillingham to 190, no problem. We've all seen those "skinny fat guys" with slight frames but a beer/taco belly
Some people just have a fetish for measurements. Matas Buzelis barely weighs more than Dillingham compared to his height yet he's considered a potentially good defender.
I don't even understand what an extra twenty or forty pounds is supposed to do. Yeah, like, if Dillingham was slighter then I'd be concerned, but Sheppard, Jared McCain, Carter and Collier are all short yet they only use it against one of them. Any extra weight for any of them isn't going to matter.
What exactly is that extra weight going to do? How exactly is it going to improve any of their defense?
Some. Sure. Is it going to impact things so much that you're going to say, Gee, sure glad Reed Sheppard had that extra twent five pounds, it sure stopped Amen Thompson from dunking on his head.
No.
Again, more that a fifth of the league is 6'3" or smaller. Do you think a single one of those is guarding Embiid in the post?
So what's the effect here?
If anything, a heavier Dillingham, like if Dillingham was 200 lbs, then he probably loses his quickness and his major advantage is gone.
Malik Monk is definitely better than George Hill. So you’re asking me if Dillingham turns out better than Carter who would I pick? Obviously Dillingham although we may need to look at Fit. George Hill would be a slightly better fit for this team since he would start over Tre Jones while Monk would come off the bench because of Vassell.
Malik Monk is a better athlete and also weighs 200 lbs. The closest comp is Darius Garlandfor Dillingham’s potential. I’m not sure of a Devin Carter comp maybe a bigger Bobby Jackson? If that is the case I’m taking the possible lockdown defender in Carter with some 3 point shooting upside.
Because he played more than enough games to evaluate him properly.
He's the same player regardless of if he weighed in at 150 or 200.
He's still an electric offensive weapon and tragic defensively.
Improving his understanding of the game and instincts on defensive end is way more important than 10lbs difference.
You really think him playing at 190 instead of 180 at his peak will be the difference maker?
It's 10lbs, ffs.
Can't coach size and that 10 lbs makes him smaller than almost everyone but guys like Ja Morant and Trae Young who are way more talented (and in Morant's case way more athletic too) to make up for that deficiency. If they somehow get Risacher at 4 or really want Buzelis at 4 then I'm good with taking Dilly 8 but not on board at 4 anymore. And not 8 if they have already picked Castle or Sheppard to play PG behind Tre since gotta play the guy you draft.
People are dramatically overstating the Spurs' penchant for targeting big PGs. George Hill and Cory Joseph were drafted when the NBA listed height in shoes as a default. Hill measured at 6-1.25 and Joseph at 6-2 flat. Jones didn't do the combine, but he's 6-1. Patty Mills was 5-11.25, Ray McCallum was 6-0.25. Marcus Denmon was a giant at 6-2.25. Bryn Forbes wasn't invited to the combine, but he is likely just under 6-2. TJ Ford was 5-11
I don't think anyone denies the Spurs see the value in larger play-makers. They had one of the GOATs to fit that mold. Moreover, Pop has definitely pushed for positionless basketball for years now, far longer than many STers may realize. But no, the Spurs have always been willing to accommodate shorter guards. White and Murray are both good players. That's why the Spurs drafted them. If the tall-PG fixation were as strong as the argument goes, we would've seen them bring in a lot more prospects in that size range, both successful and busts. In reality, it seems like they go for who they think will be good, and while size may factor into their preferences, it's not the determining factor. If they think Dillingham is the most talented player on the board, they will bring him in. I don't think people should read too much into what the media says about the Spurs' interests, because we know they try to hide that as much as possible, even with second-rounders like Metu.
Also, Fox is 6-2. At some point, people are going to have to realize that heights for players drafted before 2020 are still casually given in shoes and to stop comparing past and current players without doing that conversion. Ten years ago, Dillingham would've been listed as 6-2, just like Hill was listed at 6-3 despite only being a quarter-inch taller.
His quick feet are such a weapon, he can create separation against anybody
Him or Reed at 8
I really haven't done much due diligence on any of the prospective lottery picks but from the little I’ve seen of Dilli impresses me as a pure scorer. AI came in the league and played at similar measurements. Definitely some similarities in their games.
what's hurting Dilly is not as much him not being able to work out than others actually doing so and intiriguing/seducing GMs and their brothers.
As far as defense is concerned, I do'nt really believe in the "mental" part of it you'd just have to make a player buy into for players like Dillingham. Players entering the NBA as terrible in defense very rarely ends up even as half decent. First because there's a knack and instictive part in defending that they just don't have, and they may try to give effort on it for a little while but never long or hard enough so you can actually rely on it. They just iinstinctively don't give a , that's not really part of BB for them.
We're talking about 10lbs here, not 50. Or something like 3 inches longer wingspan that's noticable.
If Dillingham had similar college stats to either of those two, he'd be a lock for #1 pick. Maybe #2.guys like Ja Morant and Trae Young who are way more talented (and in Morant's case way more athletic too) to make up for that deficiency.
They were obviously higher rated prospects, but it's not like he's got nothing to offer compared to their skillset.
Both are obviously superior playmakers/passers, but it's not like Dillingham isn't good, especially considering his lower usage.
Trae has great range, but his 3pt percentages aren't that great. Some of it is due to his shot selection, but still.
Ja's inability to shoot well from 3pt severly limits his ceiling as the first option.
Dillingham's jumpshot is picture perfect, he's shooting from everywhere and every situation.
As in unlike Trae who barely moves off the ball, Dillingham can also fill that role and run around screens. Due to his speed, he'll be impossible to catch.
I wouldn't rule out him becoming one of the best shooters in the game and developing into a great playmaker.
Don't forget that Ja stayed in college an extra year. His first year stats are worse than Dillingham's.
I'm sure Dillingham would average like 22-24ppg and 5-7 assists if he stayed at Kentucky for one more year.
Agreed except for the Castle bit.If they somehow get Risacher at 4 or really want Buzelis at 4 then I'm good with taking Dilly 8 but not on board at 4 anymore. And not 8 if they have already picked Castle or Sheppard to play PG behind Tre since gotta play the guy you draft.
Castle could become a point guard, but he definitely won't be one early on. I think him and Dillingham would be a great duo off the bench.
Everyone keeps thinking about starting lineup fit, but our bench unit is disgustingly bad and the biggest reason for most losses.
I don't think Dillingham gets picked in top10 if we don't take him.
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I simply don't understand people tripping over themselves wanting to acquire Darius Garland or Malik Monk when Dillingham was arguably or very clearly better than them in college and they all have the same size problem.
They'd do anything to get those players but using a single pick in a supposedly weak draft is the worst thing ever.
Make it make sense.
Here is Dillingham vs. Garland vs. Monk in college.
Just acknowledging these don't tell the whole story. Dillingham is more like Garland in that he's a playmaker. Monk is more of a straight up shooting guard.
Garland only played six games in college against Winthrop, Liberty, Alcorn State, USC, and Kent State. It's too small a sample size, but note that Dillingham is more or less equivalent through an entire season against better compe ion. And his three point shooting was better than Monk, a guy many want to get for his three point shooting.
https://www.tankathon.com/players/co...nd--malik-monk
Very simple. Dillingham is years away from being a productive NBA player. The spurs can’t afford any more guard projects that may or may not pan out, when there are plenty available throughout the league.
Why is he any further away than other guard prospects in this draft?
The only player who looks like he'd be a solid contributor in a bigger role right away is Carter.
While Dillingham is an awful defender, Sheppard would also be a negative and he surely won't be a point guard right away. Tre would eventually end up as a starter.
And if you look at their games, Sheppard's shot selection is that of a role player, while Dillingham took a lot of first option shots.
We don't know if Castle will ever actually be able to develop into a point guard.
Topic has torn ACL.
I'd argue that Dillingham is less of a prospect than anyone else.
He's got the offensive skillset, full package. It's just about developing physically and translating it.
Others would have to both develop skills they don't have and develop physically, except Castle. But he's so far away from being a point guard, he's definitely also a project.
PATFO keeps gambling with these supposed all-round players who just need to develop their shot and it keeps failing.
It's time to gamble with someone who can actually shoot.
Dillingham/Sheppard are either/or scenario. It's either Sheppard at #4 or Dillingham at #8. Won't get both.
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