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    I think the Dilly trade is more ammo for a trade. I don't think this is the end of it.

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    An unprotected swap at that point for the Spurs should basically be a first if all goes to plan. Swapping a late first for a top 5 pick is huge.
    What's the value of a 2030 unprotected swap? It's worth a salary dump of Reggie Bullock, which is how we got a 2030 unprotected swap from Dallas last offseason.

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    CIA Pop probably paid CHA to take Salaun so they could be like Dang Victor we tried man but those snakes in Charlotte got there first!

    Prob did the same thing last year with Bilal lol

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    Furphy with 35 would go a long way to redeem this draft imho

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    What's the value of a 2030 unprotected swap? It's worth a salary dump of Reggie Bullock, which is how we got a 2030 unprotected swap from Dallas last offseason.
    Better to trade that swap than a swap of one of the Spurs' future picks in a trade down the line tbh. If they still have it once they get closer to 2030 it could have much more value too since teams will have a clear look at that draft.

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    You could bundle the MIN picks into a big trade and it would help preserve your existing picks

    I like the move if it's just rolling the 8 into a pick bundle you can then throw on the trade fire + maybe a few pre existing 2RPs SA needs to start unloading anyway and maaaaybe the CHA FRP all could be included.

    That's how you get the big OG/Siakam/Bridges type moves as someone pointed out above.

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    Furphy or Bona would both be solid picks at 35. Probably could trade it for 600k cash instead though - that seems pretty appealing.

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    CIA Pop probably paid CHA to take Salaun so they could be like Dang Victor we tried man but those snakes in Charlotte got there first!

    Prob did the same thing last year with Bilal lol
    like when the kid wants a drum set and you don't want to get them one but you hate to let them down and say no but then the store is all sold out and it's like dang buddy we tried!!

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    I’m not going to get excited about the talent heading into the 2nd round only to watch the spurs trade 35 for 3 future 2nds lol

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    It’s top-1 protected I think.
    It's just top1 protection.
    I take back my ing then, getting a swap protected only against #1 is huge. Was thinking the swap would have some serious lottery protection the way it was reported initially. Definitely a couple of nice trade pieces to go after a vet at some point. As much as I would have liked Buzelis or taking a swing on Cody Williams the trade is reasonable getting assets like that.

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    What's the value of a 2030 unprotected swap? It's worth a salary dump of Reggie Bullock, which is how we got a 2030 unprotected swap from Dallas last offseason.
    Out of all the outrage here this is the most candid and on point argument about value.

    You’re not wrong.

    I just look at this move as loading up picks that become the final negotiating position for big trades. Today or two years from now.

    The ability to add the sweetener at the end of the framework of a trade that is close to completion has to be why they made a move like this. They value adding picks like this to a Bridges or Siakam type trade over a guy like Dilly.

    With that said I wanted Dilly but I get the logic and I they view it as a final piece to a trade vs a singular example such as Bullock.

    Hard night to swallow. Even a trade back in for Shannon or Collier would have helped me sleep better tonight.

    I like Castle but it’s a question mark at PG. He comes across as a glue guy not a starting pg.

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    I’m not going to get excited about the talent heading into the 2nd round only to watch the spurs trade 35 for 3 future 2nds lol
    now that would piss me off

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    Charlotte's a pretty awful franchise but can't imagine they'd cut off their nose to spite their face like that just because the Spurs were two spots ahead of them and took the guy they wanted most. I suspect Salaun was a smokescreen anyways just like Carter and that maybe Holland was their target all along at #8 or they were hoping to take Clingan and flip him somewhere.
    good call man and thanks for this perspective

    kinda makes me wonder if Salaun really did hurt his ankle now lol

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    Better to trade that swap than a swap of one of the Spurs' future picks in a trade down the line tbh. If they still have it once they get closer to 2030 it could have much more value too since teams will have a clear look at that draft.
    That's not how swaps work. The Spurs can only trade swaps to picks they own. They can't trade a swap that another team gave them without also including their picks. Like the Spurs have one pick in 2030, which is the best of Dallas, Minny's (top-1 protected) and their natural pick. The Spurs can either trade that pick outright or let a new team take the best of their pick or (the best of SAS/MINN/DAL).

    It's a bad deal. To put it into perspective, the Spurs got the 2030 Dallas swap by taking on an MLE's worth of salary and moving four firsts. This year they got a worse swap as half the payment for a top-10 pick. It's bad. It's made worse by the fact that SA might well be renting their space again and might be another swap or two for the trouble. Just awful stuff.

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    Jay Bilas mocking us on ESPN.
    how’s his batting rate on NBA prospects?

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    That's not how swaps work. The Spurs can only trade swaps to picks they own. They can't trade a swap that another team gave them without also including their picks. Like the Spurs have one pick in 2030, which is the best of Dallas, Minny's (top-1 protected) and their natural pick. The Spurs can either trade that pick outright or let a new team take the best of their pick or (the best of SAS/MINN/DAL).

    It's a bad deal. To put it into perspective, the Spurs got the 2030 Dallas swap by taking on an MLE's worth of salary and moving four firsts. This year they got a worse swap as half the payment for a top-10 pick. It's bad. It's made worse by the fact that SA might well be renting their space again and might be another swap or two for the trouble. Just awful stuff.
    It's bad if you legit liked one of the options available at 8 but I've been adamant about trading the picks in this draft for months now tbh. You're right about the swap, but it does add value to the pick since instead of it being just the Spurs' pick it can be the best of the three.

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    I just hate that the Spurs keep doubling down on this roster, from the picks they keep not making, to the decision to sell cap space for very little, to the extensions they handed out to Vassell and Collins. How long do they think great cores tend to be bad? When are they going to realize they don't have a good core. They have a franchise player and exactly one player who can currently hold his jock. Castle and Sochan can change that play some support while having potential, and Jones and Johnson do a yeoman's job. But they are not at the level where they should be looking at top-10 picks as extraneous. If they want to play at the margins and take on some salary here and there, that's find. OKC was doing that even while they were a playoff team. But this approach is beyond the pale.

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    It's bad if you legit liked one of the options available at 8 but I've been adamant about trading the picks in this draft for months now tbh. You're right about the swap, but it does add value to the pick since instead of it being just the Spurs' pick it can be the best of the three.
    It was already the best of two. It adds value in the same way the Charlotte pick adds value. They're closer in value than the swap is to a real first.

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    It was already the best of two. It adds value in the same way the Charlotte pick adds value. They're closer in value than the swap is to a real first.
    Best of three > best of two, especially when you consider how little both Dallas and Minny have in future draft capital to improve their teams. I generally agree with you on most things but I think we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one.

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    What? Lol, no. Branham has been a huge disappointment both may suck at defence but at least Dillingham can dribble and score.
    Statistically, he was one of the best scorers from his draft class last year. He was pick 20. No pick from 15 down has a higher ppg than him. Only a couple from 10 down.

    Offensively, he's been everything he was advertised to be. A bucket. For a 20th pick, he has been pretty good, especially in comparison to those drafted after him.

    He's a traffic cone on defense and why im not a big fan of him but he even showed improvements there.

    He's still just 21 years old. As a starter in the NBA, he averaged 11 ppg.

    Expectations for these young prospects are so unrealistic.

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    Wright is just a coward
    Still holding out hope he won't be the GM for long tbh.

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    I think salaun was the option they would have stayed put for. Outside of that, I agree. Most of these guys would be pick 20+ in most drafts. This draft is really weak for high draft picks.

    I think most people are just bummed they don't have another new toy to watch. Castle is a great investment and could be the best player in the draft as much as anyone else.
    If this is true, then these guys aren't even good at preventing leaks for their plans. Just inep ude all around.

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    Wright is just a coward
    Feels like that. Easier to make BS moves over and over again in circles. Take on salary cap and act like you’re smart for stockpiling assets, and then when it’s time to put those assets to work just trade them for other assets further out in the future.

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    thought it was the swap that was unprotected. Even better tbh.


    Yeah gotta flip to full sniffer mode now seeing how good the swap is. Those are some legit assets that could land someone big in trade.

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