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I honestly don't think Cody Williams will be much better than Keita Bates-Diop.
Man, Cody mustve had a ty work out with the Spurs. That's the one that got away I think. I never got the Buzelis link given the Spurs' love for Sochan, and it's clear that Carter was the contingency plan if Castle was not available. I was personally never a Dillingham fan (and was actually annoyed by the pick up until the trade), and a redshirt year for Topic wasnt too appealing either.
Anyway, having the benefit of some space from the selection, i can't hate too much for trading out at 8 as a general matter. I'm still annoyed by the the return however, including layering on a swap in a year they already have the Dallas swap right and/or by not picking up a player.
I honestly don't think Cody Williams will be much better than Keita Bates-Diop.
I wanted Dilly as much as anyone else, but the more I think about this trade the more it makes sense; at least with the benefit of being able to now infer PATFO intentions.
Ensures 2025 tank
More minutes for Castle to grow
Save on salary cap for vets (we’ll see)
Ubiquitous trade ammo to use starting 2026
Castle is a jump shot away from being our starting PG, I don’t see losing Dilly as that harsh
It’s annoying to kick the can down the road, but this trade is officially an Incomplete until we see what they do with these picks.
I agree, Markkanen and Cunningham are more the kinds of trade targets that makes sense - but they don't need the capspace that Chinook describes, so I'm of the opinion that there is no such master plan. The Spurs just bailed because they didn't get their preferred target - which speaks to a lack of preparation more than anything else.
Why do we have to ensure a 2025 tank though? We’ve been tanking. At what point does the FO attempt to build a winning team? Where does it end? It’s exhausting as a fan
And if you wanted Dilly how can you support trading him for picks that far in the future? That’s a laughable return
Sorry not trying to target you specifically…just fuming right now
Absolutely the proper way to look at this... though it's actually more like negative interest. Utter failure.We literally traded #8 for nothing to show for the next 6 years.
This is like loaning 500 K to someone and getting paid back in 6 years with minimal to no interest.
Spurs need to make an attempt at winning or at least improving in the win category this year. A second straight tank, doesn’t seem Victor would like.
Does anyone think that the 2031 pick actually gets used any time soon. With Castle on board, does it make sense to target a Garland, Trae, or DJM? I think Carter will (inadvisedly) spend time at the 1, at least partially as Tre’s backup. Does that make Blake a backup 2 and Branham a backup 3? Even assuming Carter splits time at both guard spots, you still have those two other dumb s. Why would you add any of those three to the mix (assuming they’re not going out in a trade). And that’s to say nothing of whether those trades are good moves in the first place.
So if it’s not a guard prospect, who is available. Ingram? I’d love Lauri, but don’t think he’s available. Bridges has already been traded, so he’s a no-go. Levine, aside from being horrible, is another guard. I’m struggling to see who would be a more or less immediately candidate as a potential trade target that would fit the massive hole we have at the forward spot. Much less someone who would help shore up the shooting the team desperately needs.
The only justification of this trade that makes it not abortion-tier is that there’s another transaction waiting in the offing that needs some additional draft capital. I don’t see that deal being there. So that leaves us with a GM who’s just stockpiling picks, tanking for yet another year, burning the goodwill of a generational talent, and not having anything resembling a plan or a design in mind. Please help me out to see what I’m missing here, because this has the all the trappings of a GM who has not the slightest ing clue on how to build a team - which couldn’t be worse when you have a Wemby on your roster.
Minnesota's GM Is feasting on Brian Wright the last few years, tbh
It’s almost like they don’t know what a big board is, much less bother making one.
Minnesota winning it all next year
They realistically have one more year to build a credible core. After probably punting this offseason, it’s 2025 or bust.
I get it. Everything I’ve read on this forum and the internet says 2025 draft is very loaded and deep. I think end of next season we hit the giant green GO button - draft high quality players and trade for known commodities.
This will sure be an entertaining thread all summer
There’s a video or two out there where he states he understands the long term strategy and is on board. I’m sure Pop and everyone sat him down and layed it all out for him.
Inflation is what would provoke the negative return in my analogy, tbh.
I think you're exactly correct. With four potential 1st rounders next draft (two guaranteed from our own and Atlanta) we could get two bites at the lottery apple.
And considering all of the future assets we have we could easily see the Spurs go into the next offseason primed to make a large move or two.
I don't hate the concept of laying on swaps. In theory, the 2030 Spurs FRP is more valuable now because has even yet another chance of being very good. In theory (I haven't done the exact math but this is an approximation), if you assume equal odds of any team being bad far our in the future, and went and acquired swaps for around 20 teams, you'd have upwards of a 90% chance of acquiring a Top 4 pick. Not saying you would actually do this... just laying out the mathematical theory behind adding more swaps to a single year.
With that said, we already know the EXACT value of a 2030 Swap: it's worth a Reggie Bullock salary dump (so, not much).
I don't even hate the idea of kicking the can down the road... this is just such a horrendous return on value that it signals a completely lack of preparedness on behalf of the FO. It's frankly quite disgusting.
Castle + Dilly was a great draft. Castle + any of the other players taken from 8-20 would have been better than this, IMO. I'd be happier with Castle + Edey or Castle + Jaylon Tyson than this.
Our team needs to inject talent, but we decided to pass on the opportunity to do so. Mind boggling.
Yeah, because the last time they had two bites at the top-10 pick apple, they took the picks.
How so?
Sounds like Brian Wright is completely unaware that outside of Wemby, he has one of the least talented rosters in the league.
I say that because it seems like they didn't have a backup play for Salaun not being there at 8. If they didn't, they wouldn't have had to take a major discount on value like they did. This was a bail-out trade because they didn't have a backup plan, in my opinion. It's not like someone came to them with a great deal they couldn't pass up.
It's kind of funny though that so many on this board hated Dillingham before the draft but suddenly are his biggest adherents.
Answer doesn’t make any sense.. we haven’t made the playoffs in 5 years. What are you smoking dude?
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