Only if they can flip it to a close to a all star player in the next 2-3 years
I agree, I suppose. I just think Dillingham was the best pick out of all of those, but that's my opinion, so my mistake. In my eyes, though, the value is Dilly and a couple of far out unprotected firsts. Hopefully, that's actually high value and you're all correct.
Picking Dillly means investing in him becoming THE POINT GUARD. The next parker, a cornerstone to the franchise, where anything other than winning MULTIPLE LES w wemby would be an utter disappointment. Even if dilly reaches the heights of say "trey young", does anybody honestly feel that type of player will win you multiple rings. Dilly has the opportunity to prove people wrong being next to ant on a decent team, but I HIGHLY DOUBT we'll see the t-wolves hanging any banners anytime soon, and in a few years you'll see the them in the same situation Atlanta is in right now, stuck in mediocrity having to decide whether to keep moving forward or tank hard. A situation the spurs MUST avoid if they have any shot in keeping wemby for the long haul.
I was against picking Dilly at 4 like some posters, as I felt strongly Castle was better and Dilly would fall to 8. I was excited about getting Castle/Dilly, that was my ideal scenario but let's hope it's checkers vs chess with the FO on the right side of this one.
Dillingham was also my first choice at #8 for the same reasons, he looked like the only player in the draft with no fundamental flaws when it comes to actually playing basketball.
I thought that taking a risk after taking a high-floor player in Castle would be worth it, but PATFO valued getting an unprotected pick and a swap more.
The only thing we can do now is wait and see how this summer plays out. We surely can't go into the season with Keldon/Jeremy/Champagnie wing rotation.
Branham and Wesley. No Rob, one of the best scorers in the draft, bc we promised minutes to Bramham and Wesley. Ok
The biggest issue is drafting a dynamic player like Dilly, then trading him almost instantly, is a major draft night BUZZKILL for us fans, FOR SURE!!!
It's objectively looking at who has the most potential to increase our wins out of the slots at 8 to aid our team. No one's opinion is objectively based on anything but conjecture in the draft, so yes, that was an objective take based on what evidence we have. No one's performance is certain, so you really don't have any point here unless you're saying Dillingham was objectively not worth an 8th pick in this draft, which would have the disagreement of the TWolves who just spent what some consider high value unprotected draft picks on.
What are you arguing was not objective, IE not based upon stats and level of play, the fact the TWolves traded up to get him, etc?
Having said that, I'm not ultra high on the trade myself; it's never nice to see a prospect selected to your team then insta-traded. But a point I haven't seen discussed yet:
The new CBA that has been agreed to by the NBAPA is significantly more constricting on roster building and salary management for teams that are capped out, as the Suns will learn. I've heard multiple people explain the increased difficulty on talent addition for teams over the cap, nevermind luxury tax territory.
Given that we know Wemby is a sure-fire Max, hopefully Supermax as he stays with his franchise, it's great to have picks available down the line, when you project to already have your roster set-up and paid for. The Wolves are a historically anemic franchise and there's few teams I'd rather gamble on being terrible in the future -- , this same CBA may end up tearing apart their current team sooner than later.
In this context, I like the trade. But I still don't want to see the Spurs actively tank out the next season. We'll see what happens.
Methinks Dillingham is the NBA equivalent of Deuce Vaughn. I will trust the Spurs front office on this one.
If there'a blockbuster trade ill eat crow but we all know that ain't happening.
Fwiw, Branham's college stats:
14/3/2 on 50/41/83
6'5 with 6'10 wingspan.
Turned out to be an atrocious defender.
I think that's the biggest reason for PATFO giving up negative defenders.
If Dillingham was an awful defender in college, what do you think is going to happen in the NBA at his size?
So what’s our cap situation with us trading the 8th pick and most likely not guaranteeing grahams contract
It sounds absurd on its face, but otherwise it seems like FO has given up on BOTH Branham and Wesley and I am not sure it is really time for that yet. Maybe one or the other still proves keepable off their rookie deals, obviously keeping both seems less probable.
You are making an assumption that Dilly scoring translates to the NBA automatically. That is not guaranteed, he may start out ice cold from 3 PT range and get decimated on defense. He may be the offensive version of the defensive Wesley, can do one but terrible at the other. We think he may be a good playmaker, but didn't they think that about Scoot Henderson?
I hate that we won't see Dilly as a Spur to find out, but these draft picks are a crapshoot and if this pick nets us a veteran we like that is a proven commodity, that is a bird in hand. Yes, I know it is lame if we have nothing lined up but the bigger picture remains untold for now at least.
Castle will get $7M in his rookie year.
Champagnie will surely be guaranteed, $3M.
Idk about Bassey, if his knees are done, if they guarantee him that's $2.5M.
Waiving Graham would mean it's just around $2M guaranteed.
With Bassey and Champagnie guaranteed, Graham waived it should be around ~$115M with $141M cap.
We have to see what happens in the second round, that could be a few million more.
This is, again, subjective talk. I'll easily show you why: I believe that Carter, and not Dillingham, had the most potential to increase our wins at #8 (I seriously do, btw). Both of our predictions are equally subjective and opinion-based.
My point was clear; to the question raised of whether Dilly would've significantly helped the team next season, you said he "objectively" would add many wins, which is anything but objective. Dilly remains a prospect that seems better suited for the bench than starter material. While the Spurs no doubt could use bench power, I disagree that he would've won us many games, and wasn't high on him pre-draft.
I'm arguing your weight on Dilly is subjective. Please don't make me explain this any further, I'm tired of the word "subjective" already, lol.
Exactly this, tbh.
For all the they got during the Forbes & Millz era, people sure aren't liking when they go the opposite direction either
I agree 100%. We guaranteed them due to how the CBA works, IIRC. They both performed less than I think most had hoped, but it's not up for discussion (in terms of the financials) whether they'll be on the payroll next season. Therefore, I think the Dillingham pick was the Spurs pick (perhaps after Salaun was taken), which they offered to teams for unprotected firsts since they didn't want to see if they could squeeze all of the guard rotation in before making a value judgment on Branham (specifically) and perhaps Wesley (I would consider Branham the more promising project on paper, though I personally like Wesley's defensive upside more) as well as save money.
It "makes sense," it just doesn't sit well that we managed to back ourselves into a corner over guys like Branham and Wesley. I do believe Dillingham has the potential to be better than either, at least offensively, but that's TBD.
Once again big picture. Dilly being a "win now" player is a hard sell, not sure anyone actually thought that. And what then would we win, being a fringe play in team? What does that get us, come 2025 draft time? So we are in an awkward situation where we can't become a solid playoff team overnight, or even in one offseason. But we aren't trying to only win 22 games again.
We are in a weird sort of limbo, just to clarify for you, LOL.
timvp always does this thing of trying to justify an unpopular PATFO decision at the next day, even if he, himself, isn't buying it, tbh.
I don't remember what he wrote after reaching for Primo, but probably tried to give it a positive spin. I apreciate the sentiment, but I'm not buying it, tbh.
Rationalize much. Lol
Some of the issues here as we are talking through is we had the 3 first round draft picks previously. Some of us would like all 3 of those players gone already, but we got put into that bind of having to commit to them a season ahead. Now the Spurs may be thinking let's make darn sure it is a great prospect, before repeating that scenario even in just duplicate rather than triplicate. The solid possibility of 3 FRP draft picks next year also looms again, from a roster MGT perspective which has many implications, money, player development, etc. It's all more complicated than I even like to think about.
BUT, that said, losing a shiny new toy like Dilly immediately on draft night does nothing but suck in the short term. We feel your pain!!!
No. We aren’t giving up all our picks for a guy who is a midget on defense. We could have had Carter who will be everything Garland is with defense. And bigger body. We also keep all our first rounders. The trade was a joke and all nba gms are laughing at us. We will get a lot of phone calls now because they know it’s keystone cops running organization.
an unprotected pick doesnt necessarily mean the pick will be good. whether or not the raptors pick was top 6 protected or unprotected, it was still winding up #8 overall
He doesn’t want disgruntled posters. Means less traffic. He said himself the trade was bad last night. Now does 180 this morning. loltimvp always does this thing of trying to justify an unpopular PATFO decision at the next day, even if he, himself, isn't buying it, tbh.
I don't remember what he wrote after reaching for Primo, but probably tried to give it a positive spin. I apreciate the sentiment, but I'm not buying it, tbh.
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