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Hard to beat the Hawks and Wolves picks while taking a flyer on Sochan and maybe getting out of John Collin's deal. Its almost impossible to beat if the Jazz are looking to tank for future superstars via draft.
Unfortunately what works best for Utah to add in draft capital is 26 and 28, when the Spurs only have one pick. We could probably do draft day moves off surplus picks in 25 and 27 to get a pick in 26 and 28 though if we had to though.
The more I work through this and look at Utah's pick chest, the more I think our more attractive picks to Ainge are SA26, SA28, SA30, MIN31
Hard to beat the Hawks and Wolves picks while taking a flyer on Sochan and maybe getting out of John Collin's deal. Its almost impossible to beat if the Jazz are looking to tank for future superstars via draft.
Giving Lauri a max contract has to be baked into any conversation of acquiring him.
IMO, he's not the right player to get all-in for pick-wise. It's close because he's an awesome offensive player but I'm not sure his defense is good enough to build around as a second star. He can get targeted -- and could become a liability once he's ~30.
I want to keep ATL25, ATL26SWAP, SA25 and SA26. I'd probably be on board if the major assets given up are ATL27, MINDAL30SWAP and MIN31. That's still a lot though because Atlanta could be even worse, that Minnesota/Dallas swap has a really good chance of being a lottery pick and MIN31 could also be damn good.
I'd include Sochan in a trade for Lauri if Ainge values him as a first round pick. He'd lose most of his use here. Vassell would need to be valued as two first round picks before I'd even think about it. In total, Lauri probably will cost the equivalent of four or five good first round picks.
The cheapest way to get Lauri would be to give ATL back their picks, have ATL find a team desperate for Trae Young and then have those assets shipped to the Jazz along with Zach Collins.
I don't think GSW guts their roster like that and I don't think Ainge lets them protect 2030.
yeah you pay taxes on where it is earned, ie where the games are played. So a Tx team vs a Cal team is a 6.5+% pay increase (45 games in TX vs 47 games in Cali)
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You have to max him in order to get him. And he deserves the max too.
The Collins part doesn't have legs. The Spurs can't afford to take him.
I agree. The warriors will be willing to offer their FRPs in order to keep their championship open.
Lauri is worth acquiring but for the right price. No swaps, no picks that leave us without a FRP in a given year and no Vassell. If that's not enough, then so be it. I really doubt the Jazz would be able to get a lot more than what the Spurs can give them, unless the Warriors decide to their entire next decade over in exchange of a farewell to Curry.
Let him pilfer golden state then
Yeah, then I don't understand what GSW's offer is? 3 unprotected 1sts + 2 unprotected swaps and Wiggins? Why would GSW do that trade and commit to a future core of Lauri/Podz/Kuminga with no draft future. Once Klay and Draymond are gone, wouldn't GSW's talent level be the same as Utah's, only without any of the draft capital at all. That would set that franchise back years.
Maybe so, but that fifth year might offset that. I wouldn't be very confident getting him in free agency.
I don't get why you guys love Devin Vassell so much.
He's a third option on a nice contract. Also, he's still getting better.
You think Keldon is a negative and don’t value dev much. I think you’re way off on spurs players tbh
Here is the process:
Both warriors and Spurs will offer Lauri the max extension. Both will promise to use him as their #2 guy.
Then Lauri will decide: which team will be better in the next 4 to 5 years? Spurs or warriors?
Once Lauri answers this question, he will simply tell the other team that he will not extend with them. This will be Warriors.
Then warriors will withdraw their offer to Ainge. Then spurs will easily get Lauri with 3 FRPS. I'll throw in 4 just to be conservative.
This is just like the Siakam deal. One he figures that Indiana will be a better team, Warriors is out.
Cheers guys! he is coming!
You can get better value trading those picks mid season for a star who wants to get out of his team. Getting Lauri here would be paying too high.
If Bridges get four first rounders Lauri gets at least that much if not five first rounders. You don't get him for only three firsts unless you include Dev and take back John Collins.
Chi pick taking a hit with DeRozan and Caruso gone unfortunately
I'm kind of torn on him.
This season I was really annoyed with him in a lot of games where he was so passive and allowed inferior players like Jeremy and Keldon to impose themselves and chuck out out of games.
But as a third option he makes sense, especially given his contract.
$141M-154M-170M-187M-205M are the future cap projections.
Devin is going to be on $27M a year during those seasons.
16%-14%-13% of the cap in final three seasons of that deal.
Even if he doesn't improve much, that would be amazing value for an efficent 20ppg scorer who doesn't need the ball and is a solid enough defender.
Quickley got 175/5 the other day.
The most important thing in the upcoming seasons will be to have players on team-friendly deals.
Putting myself in their shoes, the thinking is mortgaging the future for the present because it's highly unlikely they'll land another Curry in the next say 20 years and this is their shot to win one more while he's still an elite player. It'll cost a lot but not everyone can be the Spurs having Robinson, Duncan, and Wembanyama land in their laps on pure luck.
As badly as I want Lauri here, I do agree that if GSW is going to seppuku themselves to get him then we should just step aside.
I'll be the first on this site to stand on the table and advocate for a highly aggressive move to get Lauri... but we shouldn't commit suicide. Among the very few things I trust this FO to do... not going way overboard is one of them.
By overboard, here is an example of a deal I WOULD NOT do:
Vassell
SA26
SA28
SA30
MIN31
Here are variations of that deal I *would* do:
Vassell
SA30
MIN31
or
SA26
SA28
SA30
MIN31
With Keldon or Collins as the salary matching (preferably Collins. He's a negative asset, but maybe not for Utah. He's a good tank commander and helps get to the salary floor for them).
I desperately want Lauri. But, if 4 FRPS are not enough. I'll simply wait for Naz Reid next summer and throw him max offer.
The Spurs have better first rounders to offer Utah than New York was able to offer Brookyln.
You made a good post with all of their assets.
What about effectively trading down?
As in giving them Hawks picks, but getting Cavs picks they own in return.
Obviously we'd have to give up more than we get, but still.
I think those two Minnesota picks are the first thing teams would agree on in a trade. It just makes too much sense for the Jazz, as already mentioned.
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