He helps us bring the nasty again
Guess it depends on what qualifies as going wrong. If the Spurs somehow find themselves in Playoff contention, maybe you keep him, but I don't see that unless there's another big signing or trade (which I'm hoping for but not expecting). The West is stacked. If it's looking like another Lottery season, might as well get a 2RP at worst for Paul, he's not coming back next year.
Guess you never owned a Manu jersey.
It looks like they gave him an out for a buyout by making his salary less than the MLE,so why wouldn’t there have been discussions about a possible trade?
It's a great idea for CP. He gets to see where the league landscape goes to see if someone will need him, get time on the court with young players plus the next huge thing, and get immense good guy cred for the whole story of it
Good stuff. I can see this happening. Spurs get half a season for the youngsters to see how a future HoF point guard operates, Paul gets to stay sharp, and when the time comes, trade him.
kinda. difference is the spurs signed MVPau and Andre Miller when they were still vying to be a contender and were counting on those guys providing playoff impact. i dont think Paul has the same expectations here. those spurs needed players, not just teachers
i mean... yes and no? i dont know that the expectation this year is playoff or bust. i mean yes ideally there is enough growth to make a push, but going from 22 wins to the 45 or so needed just to qualify for the play-in is a tall task, even with some expected internal improvement.
if the spurs are clearly out of the playoff hunt, then the need for paul to hang around isn't there, and at some point you do want to hand extended reps to the younger guys in an otherwise lost season. you could flip paul on a cheap 11 mil expiring deal to an aspiring contender willing to throw some assets your way
i dont see the spurs buying him out unless that is something that was specifically discussed and basically pre-determined during negotiations.
As the season began and the initial horror unfolded, we saw what a 20-year-old or early 20s NBA player gets subjected to versus the veterans that know all the dirty tricks. Sometimes it was just baffling to see veteran NBA referees also falling for it but just knowing how to draw a foul or avoid a foul and those types of things you don’t come into the NBA versed in all that.
As our guys learned more about that and Wemby became more dominant, we were about a .500 team the last 3rd of the season. Also post all star break the league realized the pendulum had swung to far as we have noted and discussed.
So yes we need more talent but yes we also have some decent talent that just needs to develop.
Edit: for the uninitiated, after the all-star break, the league supposedly decided the pendulum had swung to far in favor of offense, and as I understood it ticky tack fouls showed a measurable decline. The kind where the offensive player is purely trying to draw a foul or something to that effect. They stopped getting so many of those calls.
But dirty tricks like hooking your opponent's arm and making the refs think they grabbed you, not sure the refs will ever figure that one out.
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Gonna be good for the Spurs. By accepting this deal he seems to have been humbled in a way. Because of this I can see him completely motivated and playing for the love of the game. I bet if the guy can cut 10-15 pounds this summer he'll be so much better this season. Exciting times.!
No way Paul signs with the Spurs without a promise to trade him to a contender at the deadline. If the season goes really well and they look like they can actually make some noise is the only thing that might keep him in town.
Dumb question probably, but in a buyout you just pay the rest of the contract right? If that's the case, the only downside of a buyout on a one-year deal would be that you don't get a full season of Paul, which by March may not mean anything anyway. I'd bet that was part of the negotiation... "Even if no one will trade anything for you, we'll buy you out."
I remember years ago in an interview he said he had wanted to play for Pop sometime in his career, I think this is a smart move by both the Paul and the Spurs. I remember Mo Cheeks and John Lucas both did pretty good late in their careers here.
You don't have to buy out a guy on a one year deal, do you? You just waive him. If he clears waivers, he's a free agent.
I think he's gone in March unless we're somehow in the hunt for a top 4 seed, which would be a miracle.
Paul signing has grown on me. The suggestion he starts was barf emoji at first, but then again we don't need another Sochan PG disaster for Castle. This makes sense to ease him into the role.
As far as the humbling part, the man is 39 years old so it's not like teams should be banging his door down, he has a foot out of the league at this point and should be thankful for each day in the NBA he has left. I think this also brings his career earnings to $400 million, he can afford to do whatever he wants.
Maybe but if your handshake deal stipulates that he gets to pick his team, the waivers thing could be a big enough "if" to go ahead and promise a buyout.
no, youre right. sometimes they will negotiate some reduced amount, hence a buyout and not just waiving. or you add offsetting language. all that would do is help a contending over the cap/tax team to pick up him for "free" afterwards. why would the spurs engage in charity that way? then again its been noted that his pay being lower than the MLE means even teams above the first apron can pick him up as a buyout. if he was making 13 instead of 11... they wouldnt be able to. so the salary could be indicative of that intent
I guess if you assume it's part of the handshake agreement, it wouldn't be charity, it would be the terms of getting the deal done.
You can trade for a conditional second round pick and cash. I just don't see the point of a buyout, though it may be part of the rules.
I'm not sure anyone will want him, but maybe?
If he can figure out how to really play with Vic, he's gonna look good, maybe even really good.
People have been talking about great this is for Wemby, I think CP3 will be spoon feeding Sochan a ton since teams won’t be focusing in on him
CP3 will be good for everybody, just doing things right, calling out as player coach. They need to make sharp cuts and take advantage of people focused on Wemby while CP3 finds them.
Sochan developing into at minimum, that 3 and D guy who locks the opposing <<whomever>> down every night while shooting 37%+ on wide open threes would go a LONG way for me believing in PATFO again. I hope you're right.
It's possible our team composition has been a bit out of whack, but Sochan's also got to step up the plate and nail his open looks. At this point, I don't care about the hitch. We're in the weeds, and Sochan has to play in his role in shooting us out of them. Otherwise, get rid of him. It's not worth it, even if he's a character guy, because none of the other contenders will possess a comparable weak link.
Regardless of what happens the remainder of the offseason the signing of CP3 might have the biggest impact. He'll go back to starting and be the unquestionable point guard. The offense no doubt will be run much better than it has in a number of years.
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