There is Markannen to Spurs Buzz

[Wilt Chamberlain]

The rule you mention was named after Ted Stepien, owner of the Cavs In the 1970s, so it’s not new.

Indeed. 1986 to be exact. Team only seemed to be doing it the past 5 years or so but maybe I just have not been paying good enough attention.

I just cannot recall a team having one much less multiple unprotected picks of a lottery team like this.

[objective]

Re: the warriors and Markannen:

Spurs might have an easier time as vultures who scavenge off the failed acquisitions like New Orleans just did.

If New Orleans wanted Dejounte straight up 2 years ago, they couldn't have gotten him as cheap as they just did. Waiting and picking up the scraps can work.

Let Golden State ruin their future and go all in for Markannen. After they fail in the play in again and the bleakness sets in, they'll sell Markannen cheaper than they got him. Just like Philly got harden on a discount from Brooklyn.

Spurs should pay the used price without the dealer markup.

[exstatic]

Well, I have some bad news, because they are on a minor league budget compared to other teams.

According to spotrac they've paid tax in 6 of the last 21 years, which is about 4 more than I remember. But they penny pinched their way out of improving the roster to dodge the tax despite having hall of famers trying their hardest to win. I remember seasons of them not even spending the mle because of the tax. And that's when the tax was dollar for dollar and pretty cheap compared to now

And that was with Peter Holt in charge. Now with the divorce and the kids who never had to work as day in their life are in charge, and tax money will impact their lifestyle, so I'm doubting they pay any tax from here on out, and if that costs them Wemby in 6-7 years they won't care.

They actually will. His arrival pumped the value of the franchise by an estimated $500M-$1B. His departure will have the opposite effect, hitting their ownership percentage value harder than the tax hits their bottom line.

There’s a reason they’ve been bringing in venture capital guys to the ownership group, and it isn’t an IPO.

[CorrectCrusader]

this post is a red flag

lmao okay psychologist

[T Park]

Well, I have some bad news, because they are on a minor league budget compared to other teams.

According to spotrac they've paid tax in 6 of the last 21 years, which is about 4 more than I remember. But they penny pinched their way out of improving the roster to dodge the tax despite having hall of famers trying their hardest to win. I remember seasons of them not even spending the mle because of the tax. And that's when the tax was dollar for dollar and pretty cheap compared to now

And that was with Peter Holt in charge. Now with the divorce and the kids who never had to work as day in their life are in charge, and tax money will impact their lifestyle, so I'm doubting they pay any tax from here on out, and if that costs them Wemby in 6-7 years they won't care.

Not one thing said here is based in any kind of reality.

[scott]

Correction on a note someone threw out on the what the Warriors have available to offer.

Someone previously mentioned the Warriors 2030 Pick is en bered in the Pool Trade, but it is Top-20 protected, so the Warriors could offer the 1-20 portion of that pick to Utah (kind of a reverse protection).

The Warriors don't have any other FRPs outgoing, so they could offer 25, 27, 29, 31 and swaps in between or 26, 28, 30 (1-20) with swaps in between. If they offered the 1-20 on 2030 it would have to be a one-time shot, because it couldn't roll into 2031 due to the Stepien rule.

[Seventyniner]

Correction on a note someone threw out on the what the Warriors have available to offer.

Someone previously mentioned the Warriors 2030 Pick is en bered in the Pool Trade, but it is Top-20 protected, so the Warriors could offer the 1-20 portion of that pick to Utah (kind of a reverse protection).

The Warriors don't have any other FRPs outgoing, so they could offer 25, 27, 29, 31 and swaps in between or 26, 28, 30 (1-20) with swaps in between. If they offered the 1-20 on 2030 it would have to be a one-time shot, because it couldn't roll into 2031 due to the Stepien rule.

Since the 2030 pick that the Warriors owe is partially en bered, and because the Warriors don't have any other 2030 firsts incoming, the Warriors can't trade their 2029 or 2031 pick at all. The Stepien rule says that a team can't make a trade that makes it possible for them to go two future consecutive years without a first round pick. Since it isn't possible to know yet whether the 2030 pick will convey yet, the Warriors are prohibited from trading their 2029 or 2031 picks.

If they had a 2030 pick incoming from another team the Warriors' own 2029 and 2031 picks would become unen bered. Maybe they can rope in a third team to send them a 2030 pick, but it would have to be 1-20 reverse protected at worst.

[scott]

Since the 2030 pick that the Warriors owe is partially en bered, and because the Warriors don't have any other 2030 firsts incoming, the Warriors can't trade their 2029 or 2031 pick at all. The Stepien rule says that a team can't make a trade that makes it possible for them to go two future consecutive years without a first round pick. Since it isn't possible to know yet whether the 2030 pick will convey yet, the Warriors are prohibited from trading their 2029 or 2031 picks.

If they had a 2030 pick incoming from another team the Warriors' own 2029 and 2031 picks would become unen bered. Maybe they can rope in a third team to send them a 2030 pick, but it would have to be 1-20 reverse protected at worst.

You are correct, sorry I missed that. So they could do 25, 27, 30 (1-20) or 26, 28, 30 (1-20)

Also, I thought the rule only applied to your own picks, so thanks for that clarification. So in theory, the Spurs could trade SA25, SA26, SA27, SA28? Not saying we should, just understanding the rule.

[Seventyniner]

You are correct, sorry I missed that. So they could do 25, 27, 30 (1-20) or 26, 28, 30 (1-20)

Something I missed was the fact that the Warriors can include the 1-20 portion of their GS30 pick. Thanks for pointing that out. 1-20 is very nearly as good as an unprotected first. That brings the total picks the Warriors can offer to three: GS26 and GS28 unprotected plus the 1-20 portion of GS30.

Also, I thought the rule only applied to your own picks, so thanks for that clarification. So in theory, the Spurs could trade SA25, SA26, SA27, SA28? Not saying we should, just understanding the rule.

The Spurs can trade as many firsts as they want so long as it's not possible to go two future consecutive years without a first. Whether or not a pick is that team's "own" (in their natural slot due to draft and lottery order) doesn't matter.

Theoretically the Spurs can trade away SA25, ATL25, CHI25(/26/27), CHA25, SA27, ATL27, SA29, SA31, and MIN31 without violating the Stepien rule. The Spurs would retain SA26, SA28, SA30, SA32 along with all the various swap rights in 26/28/30. That's a potential 9 outgoing firsts; the CHA25 pick is unlikely to convey as a first though it can be referred to as a first to save face.

If the Spurs want to trade away the even numbered year picks with the swaps attached instead they would have to keep a pick in each of 25/27/29 and either 30 or 31. They could trade away one of SA25 and ATL25, CHI25(/26/27), CHA25, SA26 (with ATL swap), one of SA27 and ATL27, SA28 (with BOS swap), and two of SA30 (with DAL + MIN swap)/SA31/MIN31. That brings the total to only (!) 8, though the attached swaps make the 26/28/30 picks more valuable.

There's a lot of moving parts here so if anyone notices something I screwed up feel free to point it out.

[Ditty]

I like Mark but not enough to give up about 5 assets away to a possible conference rival down the line.

I rather take a shot next offseason that he will become a free agent and would choose the Spurs playing next to the future GOAT.

[R. DeMurre]

Something I missed was the fact that the Warriors can include the 1-20 portion of their GS30 pick. Thanks for pointing that out. 1-20 is very nearly as good as an unprotected first. That brings the total picks the Warriors can offer to three: GS26 and GS28 unprotected plus the 1-20 portion of GS30.

So in theory could Golden State risk the odds/game the system and protect the 2-20 portion of their '30 pick, meaning only the #1 pick would convey? That would be an interesting gambit, statistically unlikely to convey but possibly appealing to someone willing to take a big swing. Or break it up in multiple trades, like offering 1-5 to one team, 6-10 to another, and 11-15 to another?

[Ariel]

There's a much easier path towards Golden State maximizing their tradeable picks: offer Washington to turn the '30 pick top 20 protected they owe, into an unprotected swap. Washington should really go for it, since that pick seems both unlikely to convey, and underwhelming even if it does. On the other hand, a '30 unprotected swap seems much more likely to convey given the reality of both teams, plus it has high potential. If GSW does this, then they can trade unprotected picks in '25, '27, '29 and '31, plus unprotected swaps in '26 and '28. That is, 2 more than they could right now. Should be doable.

[AFBlue]

Still buzzing, or has the buzz been killed?

[z0sa]

Warrior can be aggressive. But it wont matter. Just like they were aggressive to get Siakam last season.

Lauri is dreaming to come to spurs now. Look at the ceilings of warriors and Spurs.

Warrior's ceiling is playoff spot.

Spurs ceiling is multiple championships and a dynasty greater than the Jordan's Bulls.

By getting 2 to 3 le with spurs, Lauri will be a Hall of Famer and a national hero in Finland.

This is the beauty of Wenby. He cannot resist. Just this simple.

Book it. Lauri will be a spur before Training camp.

There's some truth in this. I'm not Finnish, wouldn't know about the national hero stuff. But it's reasonable to believe such things might be on LM's mind. No way to know for sure which way he's leaning. He is an MIP, so team loyalty - combined with his relative fragility, tbh - might keep him at home in UT, or work out in our favor (as in, he'll be a team player). Would be an interesting story arc, and for a guy with his talent, his team has made him aware of the implications. JMO

[John B]

I like Mark but not enough to give up about 5 assets away to a possible conference rival down the line.

I rather take a shot next offseason that he will become a free agent and would choose the Spurs playing next to the future GOAT.

I doubt Ainge let him walk for nothing. Only the Dubs are that dumb to do that. If it’s going to happen, it will be before the start of the season where Jazz can downright tank from day one

[Knoxxx]

The Spurs could offer CHI 25, CHA 25, SAS 27,28,29,31 picks

Im not saying we should offer all those picks but those are the less valuable picks. Also we have excess SRPs to throw in.

[pad300]

To quote myself from RealGM:

I think it should be acknowledged that the real driver in this is what Markkannen wants. There are 3 things he can get from his next contract: a) Money (and it will be lots), b) the opportunity to compete and c) where he gets to live. I have no idea how he will choose to balance the three, but that's what he can get.

He can force Utah to trade him by going into Ainge's office and saying that he won't sign an extension with the Jazz. Ainge can't afford to lose him without any compensation as a free agent, and there will be suitors with cap space (eg the Spurs) next season.

He can pick a location from the suitors by telling the other suitors that he won't resign/extend with them. If he thinks, for example, the Warriors won't be competing (even if they get him), he can tell them he won't resign. At that point, it would be GM'ing malpractice to pay a ransom for him...

He gets the most money by signing an extension with the Jazz, but that commits him to another year in Utah (assuming I have understood the discussions involving when his extension would kick in and the trade deadline correctly), and Ainge can then trade him on a long term contract to whomever offers the most, rather than the location of Markkannen's choice. Also, some other locations can match or nearly match what Utah is offering (per year), as they have no state income tax (Utah has a 4.65% tax). It might even make sense for Markkannen to want a shorter contract than 4 or 5 years, so he could sign another one after 10 years in the league (with the permitted higher % of the salary cap).

[eDizzle20]

Markannen is not worth the assets Ainge will request. Hopefully the Spurs will look at trades from other teams that will be in tank mode. Maybe Jerami Grant or Corey Kispert.

[Knoxxx]

Yes the $200 million question is what does LM want?

https://clutchpoints.com/spurs-trade...tor-wembanyama

Suggestion in this article is Keldon + 4 FRPs. Doable, the devil being in the details i.e. which picks.

[Knoxxx]

More teams in the mix, supposedlly:

https://www.slcdunk.com/2024/7/2/241...warriors-spurs

[Bruno]

I'm not sold on Markannen fit with Spurs, even on the offensive end. To complement Wembanyama and Vassell, Spurs need more a playmaker/initiator than a scorer/finisher like Markannen. I think a player with the profile of Brandon Ingram would be a better fit than Markannen. Saying that, Spurs also shouldn't go after Ingram, mostly because of injuries concerns.

If Markannen is a free agent next summer, he might be a good option but giving up a lot of assets to get him now, heck no.

[scott]

Not that I think the Spurs are actually in the mix here, aside from maybe a cursory phone inquiry, but if they were and if Sochan was part of the deal - I wonder if they'd ask Ainge if they could agree and then hold on to announce until after Sochan is done with national team duties (which will be in a couple of days... I don't see Poland winning qualification with Spain, Bahamas and Finland in their tournament, but who knows).

It's doesn't seem Spursy to force Sochan to answer questions about being traded while he's in Spain trying to qualify for the Olympics.

[spurraider21]

I'm not sold on Markannen fit with Spurs, even on the offensive end. To complement Wembanyama and Vassell, Spurs need more a playmaker/initiator than a scorer/finisher like Markannen. I think a player with the profile of Brandon Ingram would be a better fit than Markannen. Saying that, Spurs also shouldn't go after Ingram, mostly because of injuries concerns.

If Markannen is a free agent next summer, he might be a good option but giving up a lot of assets to get him now, heck no.

Spurs absolutely need a finisher tbh. They are bringing up Castle as the initiator. Wemby will also improve there. Vassell is already a competent pick and roll player. And if castle doesn’t pan out at point he’s still another initiating wing and they would still go get another point guard. If they acquired markannen they’d definitely need another strong defensive wing

castle/vassell/sf/lauri/wemby

the concern here is just the price tag when it comes to dealing with ainge

[LeBowen]

I'm not sold on Markannen fit with Spurs, even on the offensive end. To complement Wembanyama and Vassell, Spurs need more a playmaker/initiator than a scorer/finisher like Markannen. I think a player with the profile of Brandon Ingram would be a better fit than Markannen. Saying that, Spurs also shouldn't go after Ingram, mostly because of injuries concerns.

If Markannen is a free agent next summer, he might be a good option but giving up a lot of assets to get him now, heck no.

Wemby averaged 4 assists this season, 5 after the all-star break, while not knowing what he was doing half the time and while having no spacing around him.
He might not become a Jokic level passer, but he's surely going to be Giannis level and have the ball a lot.

A 7 foot shooter like Markkanen would open up so many things for us.

[RC_Drunkford]

3 firsts plus the CHA pick and Keldon Johnson is fair value tbh. And I doubt the Dubs can beat that. I wouldn't give up more.