Goddammit, this is going to suck me right back in.
If two FRPs has been the general market, it's easy for the Spurs put out an offer that blows that away and is still reasonable. SA30 + MIN31 + SA27 + CHI25. That's 4 FRPs, but only two "good ones" (SA27 would be have to be viewed as likely in the 20s, SA30 and MIN31 have unique value to Utah and have the benefit of long-term variance).
Edit: nevermind, I see that the tweet was about Kessler. I should pay more attention.
Two FRPs for Kessler is wild, but I can see why NYK would offer that, their excess picks are also low quality.
I think that at the end of the day the Jazz’s eyes got big after the Mikal Bridges trade, and so they floated Markkanen in the hopes they could get a similar haul.
Now they claim that if they aren’t offered something like that, they’re not inclined to trade him. Whether or not that’s true depends on whether they really were willing to give him a max extension in the first place.
I would imagine that the Jazz FO won't care that much about optics in terms of being able to say "we got X first round picks" without regard to their quality. They are probably too smart for that. If they aren't, the Spurs can take advantage by offering their own low quality picks; CHA25 is probably the lowest-quality "first round pick" in the league.
I agree, I don't think Ainge is falling for that. He and Zanik (along with the Spurs) are one of a few front offices who not only have ac ulated capital, but it's high quality capital. My point was less than we could fool them with a low quality FRP, but more that we can likely beat any 3 FRP package because we have higher quality FRPs to offer, and we could toss in CHI just as a little added kicker (it's not a bad FRP, though I think there is more danger of it not conveying than we want to believe around here)
This is BS. No team is offering two FRPs for Walker ing Kessler. Jazz lost interest in him last year. They’d snap up any FRP for him if that offer were really out there.
Probably hard to give up a lot of picks if teams are not sure they will resign?
they have kessler playing in summer league going into his 3rd NBA season but are rejecting 2 FRP's?
How are they declining two firsts for a guy they don't even play. What are they doing?
It all depends on the picks... lots of garbage FRPs out there floating around. For example, NO probably has the most worthless of worthless incoming FRPs, they get MIL's pick if it's 1-4, otherwise it goes to NYK with no future obligation to NOP.
If someone is offering garbage FRPs for Kessler, then I wouldn't give him up either.
no one is offering two 1sts for Kessler unless they're top 20 protected 5 years from now or something
They aren't even playing him. I'd mark his value at a couple of seconds at this point and they won't even accept two firsts of any kind. His value ain't going up.
Ainge is clinical at this point.
Two picks for Kessler? Hopefully spectrum internet being out keeps the Spurs from accepting that deal.
Ainge must have been asking for owners' daughters for Markkanen.
You're just making up. Kessler was averaging around 25mpg to close out the season before he broke his nose and got shut down to close the season.
His value is certainly debatable, but "they aren't even playing him" is false.
Sorry, I was interacting with actual Utah fans and going by what they said, people who actually follow the team.
Not sure which games you guys are watching but kessler is not a bad big guy to have in the rotation...he went at wemby a couple of times and when wemby was out - he destroyed zollins (altho- zollins - that is not saying too much lol)
but he is not a bad young guy - but certainly not worth two frp's
But Mr. Body's imaginary Canadian girlfriend says he doesn't even play
you wouldn't know her
she goes to a different school
He was demoted to the bench and Jazz supporters widely say he was relegated to mop-up duty. I mean, I get that you ing adore Ainge, but c'mon.
Hit us with some more Lauri Markkanen = Gabe Vincent knowledgeHe was demoted to the bench and Jazz supporters widely say he was relegated to mop-up duty. I mean, I get that you ing adore Ainge, but c'mon.
Jazz FO needs to stop playing asset ball and start playing basketball.
Like, you get that he was playing against second and third strings instead of starting, as he was his rookie year, right? Imagine just looking at stats and thinking you got the picture.
And lmao at thinking he's worth two firsts. Scott would do that and more. Anything to make Saint Ainge happy.
Kessler is an elite rim-protecting backup big. The kind of player you hope to pick up with a late FRP... no need to trade him for a late FRP in the hopes of landing a guy who might end up as good as him.
Leave it to the sniffers around here to value useful players less than the chance at drafting more Blake Wesleys.
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