They sat him 27 games this year and ended up with the #10 pick.
And they would have been #8 if ATL and BKN didn’t jump up into the top 4 and push them down.
Incidentally, that pick was a 2021 salary dump of Derrick Favors into OKC cap room. They still had Mitc , Conley and Gobert, and no one thought this pick would amount to anything. This is why you get future first rounders, and not current ones. The landscape of a team can radically change in a short time, like 3 years.
Last edited by exstatic; 07-13-2024 at 08:51 AM.
Yeah agreed on the second part, but on the first that should be negated by how many teams will be tanking for this loaded draft class. Utah can't afford to hold him until the trade deadline if they want a good shot at the kind of prospect it would be worth resetting for. And they definitely can't keep him and send that pick to OKC.
I’ve been on the Danny Needs To Move Him train since early on. The clock is ticking.
Honestly, they should have seen this pick issue coming, and traded him after his ASG season with two years of team control left on that contract.
They can't afford to hold him until the deadline because with each passing day, his value will drop. What's the point of holding him, then?
And if he gets a new deal and is eligible for just that one day, they still won't get much. Warriors will probably come to their senses while being under .500 and realize Lauri doesn't do much for them and Spurs won't be pressed to trade because we're not in a hurry and Utah really wants to get rid of him.
I'm trying to be as objective as possible here, but it's been a long while since a trade made so much sense for both teams.
1) Lauri wants to stay only if Utah is going to compete.
2) They don't have the talent to compete.
3) They have to tank both this and the next season if they're to keep their picks.
4) He's 27 and he'd just waste his prime with the Jazz.
5) He's got no incentive to extend because he can get the same money elsewhere.
6) Spurs have a ton of picks from other teams that are great value and can easily match salaries. Even if they want to give him a raise right away.
7) Spurs are also the best possible fit basketball-wise.
Then we can get into conspiracy theories like Keldon not officially changing his number because they don't want to print and sell uniforms of a player who's about to get traded.
Spurs have been interested in Markkanen for a long time, so it's not just wishful thinking from fans.
I honestly think at this point it's just a standoff between PATFO and Ainge to see who blinks first.
He doesn't want to accept a reasonable offer, but PATFO has no reason to give him more than that since even a reasonable Spurs offer is the best offer he can get.
Last edited by LeBowen; 07-13-2024 at 10:43 AM.
This! Will happen!
Markannen is a max player and if the Spurs aren't prepared to give him a max deal they should not trade for him because it would be a rental when someone else offers him a max deal next summer. You can't frontload max deals.
I get the sense that stars who are non-All NBA players still expect max deals but that the second apron will eventually change that market for overpaying once teams move off of players. Or owners will continue to spend manically. So actually who knows. But I feel like the FO is going to be very cautious who they give a big contract to outside of VW.
His max extension will start from 2025. In order to get that, his salary this season will have to be re-negotiated to about 35 Million which is about the combined salary of Keldon and Collins.
After Lauri and Wemby, Spurs cannot afford to give anyone else max salary within 3 to 4 years. After that, with the increased cap, Lauri's max will be a bargain and they can get another star with max offer.
From the spurs or another team, Lauri will get that max extension. You can't keep on passing on these guys, hoping you'll find that one who for some reason won't ask for what he can get or that THE right max guy is just gonna fall right into your arms when you need him... Who could be that guy reasonably in the next couple of years? Which fitting star/superstar in their prime could be available anytime soon (this isn't a Trae thread)?
And you won't be able to build nowadays a contender entirely out of your picks and development program, which would take another 4 or 5 years anyway for the spurs.
Last edited by JPB; 07-13-2024 at 11:34 AM.
If they luck into that one other star in next year's draft, the timeline would be just fine if you sign then max Lauri.
Given some of the comments in this thread, I must ask…. If not Markannen, then who would be a better target for trade?
The Spurs are going for a long run, it seems, so how do we know they want a second max guy? They might be trying to focus on VW and surround him with quality non-stars like Devin.
Because Markkanen is the perfect player to get for a long run.
Re-negotiating and giving hom a four year max on top of it would mean it's done after 28-29 season.
Who else has a contract expiring after 28-29? Devin. I'd say having second and third option on around 70-75 million combined is great value with cap rising by 15 million every year.
Wemby's extension kicks in summer of 2028, so we wouldn't even have to go over the cap.
Cap projection for the next 5 years is 141-154-170-187-205 millon.
If 26-27 season is the target to be in serious championship contention, we'd be around 70 million under the cap with Wemby, Lauri, Devin and Castle earning around 100 million combined.
If Castle and whoever gets drafted are '25 is legit, with Jeremy improving and signing a team-friendly deal, we'd still have let's say 30ish million for two great role players and we'd be in a better both short and long term situation than current OKC.
We're already seeing it with Brandon Ingram. He wants to be maxed out and by all appearances no one wants to give him that money, including his own team.
Don't you get tired?
You keep spewing nonsense about Markkanen without any actual arguments or numbers to support it, someone embarrasses you with actual data, you disappear and then act like nothing happened in a few days, back on your Bargnani .
I literally said nothing about Markkanen. What the is wrong with you?
The other issue is that Lauri has a big say in where he can be traded to and I have not heard that he would like to play in San Antonio. All he has to say to Ainge and the other teams - You can trade me but it will be a rental cause I won’t sign a new contract unless your X team. That dramatically lowers his trade value and only way to get around that is to sign him to another contract and him waiving any trade clause.
I like Lauri but no way am I giving Ainge multiple unprotected picks as I remember him in Chicago where he was OK and also very injury prone.
Dude, goddamn, that was about Brandon Ingram. Go touch some mother ing grass.
Everyone also needs to accept the fact that there is going to be a time when Wemby misses half/full season or so when he's 25-26. You can't wait 3-4 years to have a team ready, you go and win now, which is what I am assuming will happen as Pop is not going to be the coach in 3-4 years and he wants one more for his legacy.
Playoffs next year
Finals the year after
Cheers boys.
The only players who won't get max money are players who had terrible seasons and are fundamentally flawed. Like Ingram with his need to have the ball, but not being useful enough for the team when he has it.
And where else would he go? Legit question.
Which other team can easily have enough cap space for a max player without losing any important rotation pieces and also has an elite rim protector to play with him because Markkanen's value diminishes when he's not playing with a legit rim protector.
I don't recall many cases of European players in their prime refusing to play for a compe ive team.
And these trades happen only if the extension is pre-arranged. Siakam and OG deals being the most recent examples.
Yeah, because players can't improve or get worse. Everything is set is stone.as I remember him in Chicago
You remember him being average four years ago for a horrible team with a horrible coach, which means he must be bad.
Knicks are so dumb they offered the max to Brunson, he was a second round pick.
No, he's not.very injury prone.
He was the player with most COVID and illness protocols in those few years, but he's never had any basketball related injuries that would be a cause for long-term concern.
Why are you replying to the same post twice, are you ok?
I'd touch some grass if it wasn't living in where it's impossible to go out during the day unless you really have to.
He would make more money if he renegotiate and extend than the max in free agency. Even less so if he signs with other teams.
Sure - but Im more saying that in conjunction with other tanking moves where they get to keep Lauri. So they sit him while trading Clarkson + Kessler etc…
Since 2017 he has only played more then 56 games 3 times in his career- So he had things like shoulder strain, hip stress fracture, multiple ankle sprains etc. Yeah, it’s a sport people get hurt but to me he is soft he is easily prone to soft tissue injuries.
Like I said I like him but he is going to have problems getting through a season and when Playoffs start we all know things start to get a lot more physical.
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