Brent Barry is not expected to return to San Antonio next season, league sources told HoopsHype.

[scott]

Being an ex player isn't one of the main criterias for a coach and I'm not saying Kerr is incompetent. He's just massively overrated and basically learned his job on the fly.

I'd say the same for Red going from podcaster to coach of the Lakers lmao (I know there are many factors for this job other than pure coaching abilities, no elite coach want this poisonous job and JJ is the perfect muppet for Lebron and the FO) But still...

As for Brent Barry, I have no idea what were technically his tasks (other than the le) nor his qualifications (was he an assistant for a while for ex?)

Same for Manu, no idea what his job is nor what's really your point with him tbh

Lastly we can agree to disagree and I like exchanging with diff pov, but pls don't look for the worst possible interpretation ... I never meant to say being a former player was even a factor. It can be but it's not systematic and because of that shouldn't be used (imo) as a criteria.
I think the basic requirement to become a head coach is to have spent a minimum of time either as a coach in below categories (or youth) or as an assistant coach at the level you seek.

Not having either of those experiences prior to taking the head coaching job of an NBA team is mind boggling to me.

But that's just me...

I've seen some people commenting that JJ is "Podcaster turned HC" or "ESPN Commentater turned HC" but being a Podcaster or an ESPN commentator isn't what gives him any credibility to be a head coach, it's his 15 seasons as an NBA player that did. I think you see a common trait among guys who go from ex-player directly to HC (Kerr, Nash, Kidd, Mark Jackson, Derrick Fisher, Doc Rivers, now JJ Red ) - they all had LONG NBA careers. I imagine all of them had some degree of informal "coach in training" experience while playing, and their former coaches to vouch for them in this regard.

All I'm saying, is there is a lot of different paths to various roles - and I think it's rather harsh to say guys like the ones I mentioned didn't earn their positions via merit. The resumes as players (and the experience with the coaches towards the tail end of their career) is their qualification. In that regard, even though Manu has never been a coach, I 100% would love for him to be Pop's successor.

[Pauleta14]

I've seen some people commenting that JJ is "Podcaster turned HC" or "ESPN Commentater turned HC" but being a Podcaster or an ESPN commentator isn't what gives him any credibility to be a head coach, it's his 15 seasons as an NBA player that did. I think you see a common trait among guys who go from ex-player directly to HC (Kerr, Nash, Kidd, Mark Jackson, Derrick Fisher, Doc Rivers, now JJ Red ) - they all had LONG NBA careers. I imagine all of them had some degree of informal "coach in training" experience while playing, and their former coaches to vouch for them in this regard.

All I'm saying, is there is a lot of different paths to various roles - and I think it's rather harsh to say guys like the ones I mentioned didn't earn their positions via merit. The resumes as players (and the experience with the coaches towards the tail end of their career) is their qualification. In that regard, even though Manu has never been a coach, I 100% would love for him to be Pop's successor.

I gave you an out with the word "podcaster"

More seriously, I know he's more than that but a high BBIQ player doesn't necessarily translate into a geat or even just good coach. It's a lot more than the Xs and Os

Look at Nash, Fisher or many others...

You have to learn a lot about psychology, communication (intenal and extenal), short and long term views, patience etc to be a head coach

It's no surprise all the greatest went through all the stages I mentioned before EARNING the head position.

Now we give the toughest positions to rookies... What do we know about JJ man-management or charisma in the lockeroom, necessary to handle so many egos all season long?

Kerr got eaten alive by a self managed lockeroom. Draymond has zero respect for him, it's obvious. Sometimes a cheat code (curry) car hide many flaws.

There ae alwasy exceptions to the rules and we'll see what JJ becomes for ex, but to me, the same way players have to respect certain steps to become elite, coaches have to take the time to learn the job through trials and failure.

[ambchang]

Coaches are absolutely useless but the spurs have to sign some over the hill veterans to show them the way. This board just never cease to amaze me.

[SpursBills]

Get David Adelman - young, dad was the architect behind sacramento's early 2000s offense with 2 great passing bigs, now is the chief architect of the nuggets' current offense; bring him in and let him go to work on the Wemby-centric motion offense

[scott]

I gave you an out with the word "podcaster"

More seriously, I know he's more than that but a high BBIQ player doesn't necessarily translate into a geat or even just good coach. It's a lot more than the Xs and Os

Look at Nash, Fisher or many others...

You have to learn a lot about psychology, communication (intenal and extenal), short and long term views, patience etc to be a head coach

It's no surprise all the greatest went through all the stages I mentioned before EARNING the head position.

Now we give the toughest positions to rookies... What do we know about JJ man-management or charisma in the lockeroom, necessary to handle so many egos all season long?

Kerr got eaten alive by a self managed lockeroom. Draymond has zero respect for him, it's obvious. Sometimes a cheat code (curry) car hide many flaws.

There ae alwasy exceptions to the rules and we'll see what JJ becomes for ex, but to me, the same way players have to respect certain steps to become elite, coaches have to take the time to learn the job through trials and failure.

I never said anything about the quality of any coach. Know who else turns out to be bad coaches? Experienced coaches! Someone of them get rehired over and over too, even after they’ve proven they suck!

[LakerHater]

Can wright go too?

[Pauleta14]

I never said anything about the quality of any coach. Know who else turns out to be bad coaches? Experienced coaches! Someone of them get rehired over and over too, even after they’ve proven they suck!

I agree but it's not because they're experienced that they're re-hired despite bad results, it's just one correlation among many. The cause has more to do with networking culture, politics and risks evaluations.

Look, my point was only to say that being a former pro isn't a strong enough criteria to be hired. As for the expeience, I agree it's not enough by itself BUT it's a minimum requirement for a pressure job.

Find me just one example in history of any sports of a manager who was given the keys of a top team wihout any experience like Kerr or Red .

There aren't

[TimmehC]

Kerr was at least a front office guy before he was a coach. And he also played for two of the GOAT coaches. So itnwas at least somewhat defensible. Red tho...

[scott]

I agree but it's not because they're experienced that they're re-hired despite bad results, it's just one correlation among many. The cause has more to do with networking culture, politics and risks evaluations.

Look, my point was only to say that being a former pro isn't a strong enough criteria to be hired. As for the expeience, I agree it's not enough by itself BUT it's a minimum requirement for a pressure job.

Find me just one example in history of any sports of a manager who was given the keys of a top team wihout any experience like Kerr or Red .

There aren't

I provided a list of NBA coaches who were hired without any experience above (Kerr, Nash, Kidd, Jackson, Fisher, Rivers, Red ). The list list is even long, and includes folks like Magic, Bird, Isaiah Thomas. https://www.latimes.com/sports/laker...%20experience.

Bill Russell is not on this list… I’m not sure how he would be counted, since he started as Player/Coach for 3 years. But he was the head coach?

In Futbol, Xavi was hired as the manager of Al Saad without any experience.

In the NFL, the Colts hired Jeff Saturday as Interim Head Coach without any experience.

Whether or not you think hiring a coach with no experience is a different debate… but it definitely happens. And the resume as a player is what gives them merit.

You’re free to disagree, but my opinion is that devalues their experience as players. I’m still game for Manu to coach the Spurs and I don’t care if he goes and acts as assistant first.

[Joseph Kony]

so are there any legs to this or what? havent seen it reported anywhere else

[exstatic]

I never said anything about the quality of any coach. Know who else turns out to be bad coaches? Experienced coaches! Someone of them get rehired over and over too, even after they’ve proven they suck!

Doc Rivers has entered the chat…

[Pauleta14]

I provided a list of NBA coaches who were hired without any experience above (Kerr, Nash, Kidd, Jackson, Fisher, Rivers, Red ). The list list is even long, and includes folks like Magic, Bird, Isaiah Thomas. https://www.latimes.com/sports/laker...%20experience.

Bill Russell is not on this list… I’m not sure how he would be counted, since he started as Player/Coach for 3 years. But he was the head coach?

In Futbol, Xavi was hired as the manager of Al Saad without any experience.

In the NFL, the Colts hired Jeff Saturday as Interim Head Coach without any experience.

Whether or not you think hiring a coach with no experience is a different debate… but it definitely happens. And the resume as a player is what gives them merit.

You’re free to disagree, but my opinion is that devalues their experience as players. I’m still game for Manu to coach the Spurs and I don’t care if he goes and acts as assistant first.

I wrongly assumed you understood I was refering to successfull coaches. None are in your list and i said other than "Kerr and Red "

And lmao at Xavi. the guy is the perfect example of a great player known for his BBIQ but who sucks at coaching. Thierry Henry would be another example.

Coaching isn't about Xs and Os mainly, I listed already a few of the qualifications that you acquire by experience only. When happens (it alwasy does) a coach that's been there done that, even as an assistant, will have his players's ears more easily than JJ Red don't you think?

If you need to find an example of an interim coach in NFL, you're basically making my point. It's just an exception that confirms the rule and I said that there could of course be exceptions by definition.

Anyway, we'll see what happen but I think it's also a sign that the Lakers job isn't attractive for Red 's case

I'm 100% game for Manu too, who would qualify as an exception anyway and would benefit from a lot of support. Different case but it wouldn't hurt if he did a season or 2 as an assistant before taking the head job, would it?

[scott]

I wrongly assumed you understood I was refering to successfull coaches. None are in your list and i said other than "Kerr and Red "

And lmao at Xavi. the guy is the perfect example of a great player known for his BBIQ but who sucks at coaching. Thierry Henry would be another example.

Coaching isn't about Xs and Os mainly, I listed already a few of the qualifications that you acquire by experience only. When happens (it alwasy does) a coach that's been there done that, even as an assistant, will have his players's ears more easily than JJ Red don't you think?

If you need to find an example of an interim coach in NFL, you're basically making my point. It's just an exception that confirms the rule and I said that there could of course be exceptions by definition.

Anyway, we'll see what happen but I think it's also a sign that the Lakers job isn't attractive for Red 's case

I'm 100% game for Manu too, who would qualify as an exception anyway and would benefit from a lot of support. Different case but it wouldn't hurt if he did a season or 2 as an assistant before taking the head job, would it?

I’m not even sure what you’re trying to argue with me about at this point. If you are ever a GM… don’t hire an inexperienced coach if you don’t want. I’m merely saying that these kind of coaches are not “without merit” who somehow used political connections and media savvy to get their jobs. They got their jobs because of their resumes as players. Whether or not that is a wise decision is another matter, and irrelevant to the point I was making.

Good day.

[Pauleta14]

I’m not even sure what you’re trying to argue with me about at this point. If you are ever a GM… don’t hire an inexperienced coach if you don’t want. I’m merely saying that these kind of coaches are not “without merit” who somehow used political connections and media savvy to get their jobs. They got their jobs because of their resumes as players. Whether or not that is a wise decision is another matter, and irrelevant to the point I was making.

Good day.

Nice one I'm the one being patient with you

Let's just disagree

[BatManu20]

[Ice009]

WTF Couldn't the Spurs have gotten him as an assistant coach?

I forgot the Suns hired Bud, so that explains why he's going there. Having said that, if he has coaching aspirations, couldn't the Spurs have given him an assistant coaches role, or did Bud maybe convince him to join his staff?

[Dverde]

I always thought his annoying brother would be a head coach one day.

[exstatic]

WTF Couldn't the Spurs have gotten him as an assistant coach?

I forgot the Suns hired Bud, so that explains why he's going there. Having said that, if he has coaching aspirations, couldn't the Spurs have given him an assistant coaches role, or did Bud maybe convince him to join his staff?

Sometimes,people just want things different from what we want out of them. I’d also wonder if it would be uncomfortable for him being on the coaching staff when Tony makes one of his frequent trips into town. If you’re on the coaching staff, you can’t really avoid him like you could as a FO employee.

[scott]

Good for Brent. No shame to have members of the Spurs family move on to continue to grow with other teams. Hope he crushes it and becomes the next great NBA head coach.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

NBA coaching is the least impactful front office position in all of sports.

[The Truth #6]

So was he fired first then scrambled to get a job in PHX?

[exstatic]

So was he fired first then scrambled to get a job in PHX?

Doubtful. His contract was likely just up, like Chip two years ago.

[John B]

Yet another branch of Spurs tree going to another team. I fear what Spurs culture will bring to a star-studded Suns, especially with 2x COTY Coach Bud leading the way.

[Spurs Brazil]

[ambchang]

Spurs front office personnel are the worst until they leave and join another team, then they are the best ever.