Cheers!Personally, I think that answer changes a lot depending on how you look at it. There as ways of cutting it that have me put Duncan at the top and ways of cutting it where Kobe is way ahead of him and Tim is closer just above Curry. I tend to think the difference between "greatest" and "best" is a matter of cultural impact beyond talent or accomplishments.
Jordan, deservedly or not, would be the GOAT by that standard, and it would be really close between Kobe and Lebron for second, with perhaps this gold having a chance to seal the debate. Then guys like Curry and Paul George have had such huge cultural impacts on young players that they're much higher on the list than some might believe. Tim was great, but almost by his intention, it's easy to overlook him. That's especially true of his peak, which ended a decade before he retired. People saw Old Tim for so much longer than most players that it made many forget that he had much more dynamism and cache once upon a time.
But if we're only talking about the cultural impact on one organization and what he could do as the centerpiece of a franchise, Tim stands alone in the modern era. Maybe Bill Russell makes an argument for "All-Time", but there's no player in NBA history I'd rather start a franchise with. Not Jordan, not Lebron, not Kbe, not even Wemby. It's Tim and there are no other right answers. Because I don't really care about basketball as a cultural or media phenomenon, I'll go with Tim as much overall answer.
Didn't watch. See the boxscore.
Looks very even.
How did Serb go up 17? Not like the US was shooting bricks nor was Serb shooting better. Or were they until the mid 4th?
Don't see Turnovers being a factor.
Offensive rebounds well in favor of Serb so there is that.
Otherwise it's even. How did they go up 17?
At counting stats without context in '24. As if Jokic, who has no teammate who'd so much as sniff consideration for team U.S.A., is in a comparable situation to James.
Dude, you swap Jokic and Lebron today and the US win by 30. Heck, forget that, swap Jokic and Lebron and Serbia isn't even in the semis. How is this even an argument?
FFS wow.
We all respect Chinook because of his contractual knowledge and being a respectful long time poster in this forum, but his actual basketball takes are lowkey awful, tbh.
They all went ice cold simultaneously in the 4th Qtr after shooting lights out all game. They were bound to come back down to earth and they did at the worst time possible.
USA was going under every screen, daring them to shoot wide open 3's in the 4th and they just simply couldn't throw it in the ocean. Jokic probably felt like he was back in Denver tbh
Thinking this might be a great matchup for Wemby, going against NBA compe ion who won't be playing as much of the physical FIBA style and more of an NBA style game.
Hope our boy goes off!
Jokic was minus-10 in this game in a five-point loss. Lebron was plus-16 in a five-point win. I'm not dogging Jokic, but he had Milutinov or someone worse behind him getting a better a positive plus-minus while Lebron had his plus-minus despite Davis and Durant being his backups. Obvious Team USA is more talented, but Serbia's supporting cast played more than well enough to win this game. Lebron stabilized and drove the USA to the gold match. It was Curry this game but hadn't been him in any other game. A lot of other guys have stepped up, but James has been the constant.Dude, you swap Jokic and Lebron today and the US win by 30. Heck, forget that, swap Jokic and Lebron and Serbia isn't even in the semis. How is this even an argument?
France is going to get their pushed in tbh, especially after today's wake up call. USA is lucky to be moving on. France's offense is also just trash, and Wemby's been pretty underwhelming offensively in these Olympics so far.
You could make another thread about this. Hopefully this new one won't be timed and worded so poorly that it confuses the forum.We all respect Chinook because of his contractual knowledge and being a respectful long time poster in this forum, but his actual basketball takes are lowkey awful, tbh.
That you believe ESPN or other major networks "want" to put Kobe at the top is kind of the point of the post you half quoted.
FFS wow.
I hope Team USA wins. But I won’t be mad if Wemby goes Supernova and drops 40+ and pulls off the upset.
You can try to rationalize this anyway you want, you would still be the only person in the World saying Lebron James has been the "unambiguously" best player of any team in this tournament, tbh.
Yes where would we get that idea.
FWIW, behind Jokic, the 2nd best player of this tournament has been Giannis and the 3rd, SGA.
All 3 pretty much "unambiguously" for anyone not trying to be a contrarian with a unique take, tbh.
We do? Virtually anyone could grasp CBA minutia if they devoted enough time.We all respect Chinook because of his contractual knowledge and being a respectful long time poster in this forum, but his actual basketball takes are lowkey awful, tbh.
I respect anyone that isn't an obvious low level troll. That's all it takes to be among the upper half in this forum, tbh.We do? Virtually anyone could grasp CBA minutia if they devoted enough time.
And I meant both, respectable and respectful. He's fine compared to others. I'm an insufferable on this forum, yet I consider myself to be "respectful" in ST terms, tbh.We do? Virtually anyone could grasp CBA minutia if they devoted enough time.
If you had to point towards one thing...
Serbia was 15/30 from three to finish the 3rd quarter.
They finished the game 15/39.
Couple that with an Embiid 7-0 run in the 4th, and Curry/KD/LeBron all going HAM down the stretch...that was basically the game.
On a side note: I know it's difficult due to the qualification process and so on, but wouldn't it have been sweet to see: Jrue, Tatum, White and Brown in the 3x3 compe ion?
Just put Caruso, Bridges and Brunson on the 5vs5 team instead.
As for the final, I'm afraid Embiid is a bad matchup for Victor, we'll need to be smart and put him in foul trouble
I also fear the "we have a silver medal, it's ok if we lose vs USA" effect
I find him unnecessarily condescending anytime he disagreesWe all respect Chinook because of his contractual knowledge and being a respectful long time poster in this forum, but his actual basketball takes are lowkey awful, tbh.
Oh well Germany got that free two points after the whistle so they still came out ahead.
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