let’s win now

[tonight...you]

Add up all of the All NBA players signed as FAs by OKC,Indy,Sacto, and Utah, and it’s zero. The thing that has stopped us from signing FAs of multiple levels are the wives. Kidd and Korver come to mind. Gotta do better with that.

Potentially Batum also.

[Pauleta14]

It's not so much about optimism/pessimism than tangible, actual facts. What you're mentioning is very subjective and elusive, and probably more an "image d'Epinal", (my french fella) than media are still rehashing than reality, which is spurs development program has'nt done that good these past few years, without any real success to show for them, and for all the respect I have for him, Pop hasn't either lookingg pretty lost and outdated. We're coming from 2 consecutive 22 win seasons. Wemby would have done well anywhere anyway.

As for the vets, we got a washed up CP3 on his last legs who probably came here more for the promise he got to be traded at the deadline than anything, and a Barnes who's a solid vet but nothing to jump on the curtains either (and who might also have gotten the same promise). Not like spurs attracted top, coveted vets and not sure spurs are attracting players more than any other team, probably still less actually. I believe players and media are still respecting the spurs more for their past than their present.

The global reaction and unanimous analysis when SA had the 1st pick was "no better place than SA/with Pop for Wemby", to the point of having conspiracy theories on the NBA "gifting" the pick to SA.

This is not subjective or an "image d'Epinal", it's factual.

But forget that, Wemby by himself is enough anyway, if you have to chose between OKC and the Spurs, only the latter have a cheat code that will make you opened all the time bc of the attention he requires.

[exstatic]

So... we're right on par with our market tier contemporaries, and thus the PATFO and Spurs Pedigree adds nothing. Glad we agree!

Nope. None of them signed anyone of the caliber of LMA. , I doubt any of them have signed anyone of the caliber of past prime Finley or Barry.

[scott]

Nope. None of them signed anyone of the caliber of LMA. , I doubt any of them have signed anyone of the caliber of past prime Finley or Barry.

The internet exists. You are allowed to research things before you post them. I know this is your Achilles heel.

[Barfunk]

I'd love to see a 50 win season, but not sure that's realistic. In other words, I'd love to win now.

[gambit1990]

Why would we think that the Spurs had a worst future than a team like the Rockets at that time? Dallas already had Luka, and Memphis and NOLA were on the rise but Houston was still absolute and really hasn't done anything to merit praise.

i posted the thread when the spurs were #1 in the division. i knew it was fool's gold. everyone blew that off. and blew off what you're saying now, except i said it years ago:

mavs have luka
griz have ja
pels have zion
rockets have picks

When confronted by this in the thread Gambit never was able to back it up.

try scrolling up one second before your post, i literally laid it all out.

When confronted that other teams were still finishing worse than the Spurs, he just deflected and talked about the future and that he didn't mean THAT year.

i literally said the spurs have the worst future in the division. they were #1 when i posted that, ended the season 4th. then 5th/last the next two years.

I mean you look around and you see Luka who is a generational talent and a franchise player. You see Ja Morant is becoming better and better and his pairing with JJJ looks really good for Memphis' future. Then you look at Zion and see him dropping like 26 a game on 68% shooting and looking more and more like a franchise player. Houston doing a proper tank job to maybe get their guy going forward.

And then there's us with no all-star, no franchise player, and no good draft pick to boot. We are also benching our youngsters for vets for no reason. Wtf are we even doing? But if you point that out, then you get laughed at and called dumb in the beginning of the thread... only to be proven right

[gambit1990]

it's just insane how much ST homers wanna whitewash how awful the spurs became when i called it about to happen.

they don't remember how much they loved bryn forbes being in the starting lineup?

[gambit1990]

did the spurs land wemby? yeah, awesome. that doesn't take away from the spurs being #1 in their division (when i posted that thread) to being near the bottom of the leagues' standings for years to come.

that thread was truth. stop acting like i said five years or decade

[MannyIsGod]

You're quibbling over whether the Spurs were the worst, or marginally the second worst. Plot is officially lost.

The thread le literally says worst my dude. The thread le wasn't the Spurs will be bad in the future. Its pretty ing clear what the claim was so if you're going to say the claim was right then why would I NOT verify that the Spurs were indeed the worst?

[scott]

The thread le literally says worst my dude. The thread le wasn't the Spurs will be bad in the future. Its pretty ing clear what the claim was so if you're going to say the claim was right then why would I NOT verify that the Spurs were indeed the worst?

It is about equivalent to if you posted a thread saying "I think we will have the most active hurricane season on record" and then later someone following up with "HAHA YOU ING IDIOT IT WAS ONLY THE SECOND MOST ACTIVE HURRICAN SEASON ON RECORD, DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT"

When Gambit made the post, the Spurs were first in the division, had DDR, LMA, DJM and DW still on the team, people still had hope for WrongLuka. We didn't yet have our war chest of picks.

Credit to the FO, who evidently looked at that situation and agreed with gambit, deciding to then move off of every single one of those players, ac ulate picks, tank, and get Wemby.

Here are some bangers from that thread.

Rockets send picks and swaps to OKC to offload CP3. Rockets send picks and swaps to WSH to offload Westchuck. Rockets recoup some picks, likely late first rounders, and swaps from the Harden trade. The second and third trades made the first one catastrophic. Those swaps looked worthless when the CP3 trade went down, but now they look to convey. The nets swaps will likely never convey, because the Nets will almost certainly remain the better team. So, the Rockets owe OKC a group of first rounders, and will be forced to swap any pick that is better than OKCs. They also owe a group of first rounders to WSH. The swaps are unknown in this case, but both teams will likely be in the lottery. They are owed a group of likely late first rounders by BKN, and pick swaps that will likely never convey. Huge net negative.

I chose this one because since we own far out swaps from the defending champ, defending runner up and defending WC runner up, it shows how quickly things can change. Turns out Rocket's warchest was pretty good.

I don't see anyone in the division competing for a championship soon. Most aligned is Dallas, but they are closer to treadmill danger, with a budding superstar winning a lot of games but not enough support to push forward. Rockets will go down to the basement soon. Memphis seems like a nice team but are pieces away that won't ever appear. Spurs have good young talent and cap flexibility, but I'm not sure what the ceiling actually is.

Dallas rode the treadmill all the way to the finals. Pretty good.

I don't care if the Spurs win more or less regular season games. This season was always supposed to be about developing talent, and we're sure doing so. Keldon's looking like a stud, Vassell looks like he'll be a future stud, DJ is looking like a consistent borderline All-Star. Can we talk about that?

, I'm sure glad we aren't riding on a big 3 of Keldon, Devin and DJM. How depressing would that be?

I still don't know this team's future, but they sure are loaded. Dallas, Houston, Memphis, they all have issues, with Memphis the better situated other than the Spurs. People say SAS has no stars, but they're pretty damn close.

LOL. This was posted on 2/14/2021. We were LOADED! ROFL.

The defensive potential of a team with DJ, White, Keldon, Devin, Luka, and Jakob is really promising. Not sure who you take out for a max-d starting 5, but its a good problem to have. Hard to think out future is bad

Pretty sure this was unit (minus Luka, who wasn't part of anything) was one of the worst defensively in the history of the NBA.

This thread will be good for many bumps. No, the Spurs don’t have a top two like Luka/KP, Zion/Ingram or Ja/JJJ. But the depth, flexibility and upside the Spurs trot out is outstanding and should keep them compe ive with those teams. They hit it out of the park on their six first rounders in five consecutive drafts (worst pick being Walker who should be fine as a sixth man) plus the Poeltl trade who’s essentially another draft pick acquired by trade a couple years into his deal.

Spurs also have a ton more flexibility this offseason and still own all of their picks. Some people are acting like a very good, cost-controlled young core plus $50mm in cap space is a bad thing. Are they signing a superstar? No. But they have a lot of other paths to making the team a lot better.

My move would be to scour the league for a team looking to get off a contract and absorb it into cap space (still may have enough left to sign Demar without bird rights) and then also attach LWIV plus the Spurs’ pick to move towards the top of the draft. Essentially reset the clock on that contract and try to get the most upside possible. Hard to do with draft before FA, but that’s why PATFO get paid the big bucks.

This is indicative of most of the responses in that thread, posted 3/3/21. No one was talking about the Spurs tanking and landing a guy like Wemby and that is how they turned around. People legit thought our future was bright because we had DJM, DW, Keldon, Devin, LWIV, Luka, etc. and CAP SPACE... LOL MUH CAP SPACE. Never fails to get people.

Damn, if Luka pans out we gonna be decently stacked.

Murray
Vassell
Keldon
Samanic
Poeltl

White
Walker
Lyles

WE STACKED!!! And this was a real post, not merely trolling!

I could go on, but it's just page after page of the same.

Gambit deserves roasting for being annoying, and not being able to construct posts in a coherent manner. But if I look back at his post (which I just did), his "worst future" take isn't the one that's laughable, in hindsight.

Thank god PATFO apparently believed less in the Spurs future than this board did, and decided to blow it up.

[BackHome]

Not asking for number 1 pick I would Very Happy if we could just do 4th and 8th pick. Those two players would be great additions to a Championship caliber team of the future

[scott]

Not asking for number 1 pick I would Very Happy if we could just do 4th and 8th pick. Those two players would be great additions to a Championship caliber team of the future

Can I interest you in a 20131 pick instead?

[DAF86]

It is about equivalent to if you posted a thread saying "I think we will have the most active hurricane season on record" and then later someone following up with "HAHA YOU ING IDIOT IT WAS ONLY THE SECOND MOST ACTIVE HURRICAN SEASON ON RECORD, DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT"

When Gambit made the post, the Spurs were first in the division, had DDR, LMA, DJM and DW still on the team, people still had hope for WrongLuka. We didn't yet have our war chest of picks.

Credit to the FO, who evidently looked at that situation and agreed with gambit, deciding to then move off of every single one of those players, ac ulate picks, tank, and get Wemby.

Here are some bangers from that thread.



[/COLOR]I chose this one because since we own far out swaps from the defending champ, defending runner up and defending WC runner up, it shows how quickly things can change. Turns out Rocket's warchest was pretty good.



Dallas rode the treadmill all the way to the finals. Pretty good.



, I'm sure glad we aren't riding on a big 3 of Keldon, Devin and DJM. How depressing would that be?



LOL. This was posted on 2/14/2021. We were LOADED! ROFL.



Pretty sure this was unit (minus Luka, who wasn't part of anything) was one of the worst defensively in the history of the NBA.



This is indicative of most of the responses in that thread, posted 3/3/21. No one was talking about the Spurs tanking and landing a guy like Wemby and that is how they turned around. People legit thought our future was bright because we had DJM, DW, Keldon, Devin, LWIV, Luka, etc. and CAP SPACE... LOL MUH CAP SPACE. Never fails to get people.



[/COLOR]WE STACKED!!! And this was a real post, not merely trolling!

I could go on, but it's just page after page of the same.

Gambit deserves roasting for being annoying, and not being able to construct posts in a coherent manner. But if I look back at his post (which I just did), his "worst future" take isn't the one that's laughable, in hindsight.

Thank god PATFO apparently believed less in the Spurs future than this board did, and decided to blow it up.

My post is pretty spot on, tbh. Specially if you understand that it was tongue in cheek and I wasn't talking about a true stacked team but a "stacked" team for that era of Spurs basketball, which was trying to get to the playoffs.

An all-star lead guard, another borderline all-star guard, two 20 ppg wings, Poeltl and the qualifier of "if Samanic pans out". That would have been a very good team for years to come if Luka would have actually "panned out". Not a single lie was told, tbh.

[tonight...you]

It is about equivalent to if you posted a thread saying "I think we will have the most active hurricane season on record" and then later someone following up with "HAHA YOU ING IDIOT IT WAS ONLY THE SECOND MOST ACTIVE HURRICAN SEASON ON RECORD, DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT"

When Gambit made the post, the Spurs were first in the division, had DDR, LMA, DJM and DW still on the team, people still had hope for WrongLuka. We didn't yet have our war chest of picks.

Credit to the FO, who evidently looked at that situation and agreed with gambit, deciding to then move off of every single one of those players, ac ulate picks, tank, and get Wemby.

Here are some bangers from that thread.



[/COLOR]I chose this one because since we own far out swaps from the defending champ, defending runner up and defending WC runner up, it shows how quickly things can change. Turns out Rocket's warchest was pretty good.



Dallas rode the treadmill all the way to the finals. Pretty good.



, I'm sure glad we aren't riding on a big 3 of Keldon, Devin and DJM. How depressing would that be?



LOL. This was posted on 2/14/2021. We were LOADED! ROFL.



Pretty sure this was unit (minus Luka, who wasn't part of anything) was one of the worst defensively in the history of the NBA.



This is indicative of most of the responses in that thread, posted 3/3/21. No one was talking about the Spurs tanking and landing a guy like Wemby and that is how they turned around. People legit thought our future was bright because we had DJM, DW, Keldon, Devin, LWIV, Luka, etc. and CAP SPACE... LOL MUH CAP SPACE. Never fails to get people.



[/COLOR]WE STACKED!!! And this was a real post, not merely trolling!

I could go on, but it's just page after page of the same.

Gambit deserves roasting for being annoying, and not being able to construct posts in a coherent manner. But if I look back at his post (which I just did), his "worst future" take isn't the one that's laughable, in hindsight.

Thank god PATFO apparently believed less in the Spurs future than this board did, and decided to blow it up.

Lol. I love you Scott, but you need a life.

[BackHome]

Can I interest you in a 20131 pick instead?

Nope all I asked the Basketball Gods was #1 pick in 23, and two lottery picks in 24,25

[gambit1990]

When Gambit made the post, the Spurs were first in the division, had DDR, LMA, DJM and DW still on the team, people still had hope for WrongLuka. We didn't yet have our war chest of picks.

Credit to the FO, who evidently looked at that situation and agreed with gambit, deciding to then move off of every single one of those players, ac ulate picks, tank, and get Wemby.

[scott]

Lol. I love you Scott, but you need a life.

Wouldn't trade my life for anything, tbh

[baseline bum]

Not sure I see it the same way. They've got Shai locked up for 3 more years at only 25% of the cap, Chet for another two years at what amounts to an MLE deal, and JWill at a bargain 4% of the cap deal. They overpaid for Hartenstein, but i's a short-term deal that nicely coincides with the Chet and JWill deals. The rest of the team is just a bunch of solid role players. Dort has got 3 years at 10% of the cap left, Isaiah Joe has 4 years at a sub-MLE deal, Queso Wallace is on a cheap rookie deal for 3 more... JWill probably does a rookie max deal while Chet probably does below the max, and everything kind of fits. The biggest impact they'll have is not being able to retain someone like Hartenstein.

I see what OKC doing as pretty similar to what the Rockets did (money wise) and how honestly I would have liked to see the Spurs use their cap space (we can still do so next summer). Load up on short term deals for useful vets, even on slight overpays, while you've got Wemby on a rookie deal. I guess in a way we did that, unfortunately it was just with Zach ing Collins.

I can't see any way Chet's not a max player unless he blows out a knee or something.

[gambit1990]

My post is pretty spot on, tbh. Specially if you understand that it was tongue in cheek and I wasn't talking about a true stacked team but a "stacked" team for that era of Spurs basketball, which was trying to get to the playoffs.

An all-star lead guard, another borderline all-star guard, two 20 ppg wings, Poeltl and the qualifier of "if Samanic pans out". That would have been a very good team for years to come if Luka would have actually "panned out". Not a single lie was told, tbh.

this is an L.

Damn, if Luka pans out we gonna be decently stacked.

Murray
Vassell
Keldon
Samanic
Poeltl

White
Walker
Lyles

[gambit1990]

"it was tongue in cheek"

[gambit1990]

DAF86 is a top ten poster, below me obviously. i called him out in that same thread.

[gambit1990]

*makes a thread on an entirely different subject*

ST homers: you were wrong!
me: i wasn't
ST homers: everyone knew the spurs would have a losing period !!
me: yeah, i predicted when it would happen. and it did.
ST homers: no!! you're wrong!

[JPB]

The global reaction and unanimous analysis when SA had the 1st pick was "no better place than SA/with Pop for Wemby", to the point of having conspiracy theories on the NBA "gifting" the pick to SA.

This is not subjective or an "image d'Epinal", it's factual.

But forget that, Wemby by himself is enough anyway, if you have to chose between OKC and the Spurs, only the latter have a cheat code that will make you opened all the time bc of the attention he requires.

What matters is not people's perception or reaction, or spurs fans homerism, those are not factual, it's subjective by definintion. And there's plenty of time when people first reaction proves wrong in sports... Only Reality is factual.

And reality is Spurs are coming off 5 losing seasons, the last 2 being two awful, their praised development program hasn't really done more than any other one would have done with the last 5 pîcks or so (maybe worse actually), only Devin as somehow a real keeper, and Pop has looked lost and outdated trying weird experimentations, in a team offering awful BB, that would have probably gotten him fired in any other franchise.

Wemby makes this franchise look much better than it is right now. He's hidding a lot of stuff and makes everyone pretty around... To have a factual idea of where this franchise is at, in terms of competence, you have to imagine we got Scoot instead.

spurs are still living off their past, and perception, as for credit is concerned, Pop being the best example. He isn't judged for what he has accomplished these past 5 years, or his abiltiy to run a rebuild filled with prospects, but for spurs former glory days.

[JPB]

And you're overstimating the impact Wemby will have on spurs abiltiy to attract FAs. these guys are dealing with their own career (and ego), they don't live for SA, Wemby or spurs fans wishes.This is a business, and much less romantic than what fans sometimes imagine. For these next 2-3 years, they'll take the chance to contend on a team like OKC any day over having to spend 3 years of their prime watching young prospects develop (or not) in SA. Winning a le is really hard, an opportunities rare.

Not to mention, not veryone will want to live under Victor's shadow but will prefer being the alpha somewhere else, specially in bigger markets... I didn't hear many rumors of stars dying to sign in SA so far, and what stars are we talkng about anyway? Giannis or Luka are not coming anytime soon, they'll prefer having THEIR team, than being Victor's sidekick. They're not gonna go like, "Hey look mom, I'm playing with Wemby!".

We shouldn't be reasoning as if having Wemby will NECESSARILY and naturally bring us to a 10 year dynasty, that this is written, all the stars fighting to come here and everyone surrendring to us... the NBA is really hard and doesn't exist just for the spurs.

[Pauleta14]

What matters is not people's perception or reaction, or spurs fans homerism, those are not factual, it's subjective by definintion. And there's plenty of time when people first reaction proves wrong in sports... Only Reality is factual.

And reality is Spurs are coming off 5 losing seasons, the last 2 being two awful, their praised development program hasn't really done more than any other one would have done with the last 5 pîcks or so (maybe worse actually), only Devin as somehow a real keeper, and Pop has looked lost and outdated trying weird experimentations, in a team offering awful BB, that would have probably gotten him fired in any other franchise.

Wemby makes this franchise look much better than it is right now. He's hidding a lot of stuff and makes everyone pretty around... To have a factual idea of where this franchise is at, in terms of competence, you have to imagine we got Scoot instead.

spurs are still living off their past, and perception, as for credit is concerned, Pop being the best example. He isn't judged for what he has accomplished these past 5 years, or his abiltiy to run a rebuild filled with prospects, but for spurs former glory days.

Regarding PATFO, I'm talking about perception and not my pov or the reality bro... (Unfortunately) perception matters a lot.

However, regarding Wemby's impact and the advantages the attention he demands generate, it's not perception but REALITY...

OKC is readier NOW, but where were they 2 seasons ago? Things can go fast with a good draft or trade.