Having vaccines widely available is the difference now. The US ed up badly in not slowing spread before the vaccines when this virus was killing people left and right here while other rich nations were doing far better. Haven't really listened to Osterholm lately though as once I got the second shot plus a couple of weeks time delay I started living life as normal (except work from home, I'm never giving that up after starting it in the pandemic).
Seriously, yes.
Indoor air is (or could be) the equivalent to water sanitation in the 20st century -- 90% of people work indoors and approximately 100% of their kids go to schools.
This isn't purely about COVID, airborne diseases have a big cost, in the long run the benefit could be correspondingly large.
Don't really see how indoor air is easily controllable by public utilities the same way water and sewage are when the city owns the pipes and the treatment plants. Are you going to mandate everyone buys big air filtering units, runs them all day, constantly buys new HEPA filters, and takes the hit on their electric bill every month? What's the plan here and how would you even enforce it?
write it into building codes and offer tax incentives. as adoption ramps up, economies of scale will eventually bring down the cost and companies themselves will bank the gains -- much less productivity lost to sickness and premature death.
Too much faith in capitalism there tbh
Its particulate matter as well as biologically produced disease.
Beijing is as bad as London and might have had a killer smog event much like the 1950s in London.
We need to clean the air of particulate matter by not producing so much from industry.
London has been bad for a very long time. All the way back to the 14th century. We have seen this before, we can change this.
The red team just likes to wade in I guess. And then talk about their big house away from the city. "Im ok. so quit complaining"
It really is not the same virus symptom wise (especially as far as the quicker killing via the respiratory system) The long term effects of the newer viruses, that are not as virulent, might still have long term effects. Structurally, it clearly came from the first few waves we saw most likely in China.
Where is has the virus being produced in a Chinese lab gone I wonder?
It has, evolved to a number of new forms with a number of old forms also just dying out. Its complicated but we have a better picture now.
And there is NO DOUBT the vaccine was incredibly successful. Only a Joey moron who does not read could dream up his own science on this.
Close it all in during the heat and especially the cold winters in all the social gatherings. Schools, churches, etc...
I still cant figure out why people are not allowed to smoke in indoor public places, have you?
Ventilation is awesome.
Schools used to have steam radiators and open windows during cold and flu season -- to make schools safer for kids after the Spanish flu epidemic.
Funny we haven't done anything comparable this time around.
old news, we already knew current mRNA vaccines aren't sterilizing, it didn't take long to figure out.
Qtsa with another conspiracy loser (anti-vax Hoeg)
Here are some reviews of Hoeg’s work:
"The authors don’t know what they are doing and they are following their own ideology," tweeted Boback Ziaeian, MD, PhD, assistant professor of medicine at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA, Los Angeles, in the cardiology division. Ziaeian also tweeted, "I believe the CDC is doing honest work and not dredging slop like you are."
"Holy . Truly terrible methods in that paper," tweeted Michael Mina, MD, PhD, an epidemiologist and immunologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, Boston, more bluntly.
"Your methodology hugely overestimates risk, which many commentators who are specialists in the field have highlighted," tweeted Deepti Gurdasani, senior lecturer in epidemiology at Queen Mary University of London. "Why make this claim when you must know it's wrong?"
to exclude protection vs hospitalization paints a somewhat distorted picture of the situation, my silly opinion: it's good enough if it protects measurably against incapacitating disease. afaik it still does.
the emergence of a less toxic, possibly more stable protein based vaccine (NOVAVAX) now has emergency FDA approval too. I'm considering it, it'll soon be available in Texas.
(good god, check with your doctor first, I'm not one.)
I think it would be useful for everyone for you to list the conspiracy theories you don't believe.
Qtsa has a way of finding the fringe.
If 4 out of 5 dentists recommend chewing sugarless gum, qtsa will support the 5th dentist who recommends chewing cow manure.
Remember when you were the only person in this thread believing and pushing the Racoon Dog theory?
https://theintercept.com/2023/05/10/...n-raccoon-dog/
You still live in the fringe as most scientists have concluded that it is a zoonotic disease (transferred directly from an infected non-human animal). Similar to the SARS-CoV-1 and MERS-CoV outbreaks and consistent with other pandemics in human history. It was not a result of a lab accident.Remember when you were the only person in this thread believing and pushing the Racoon Dog theory?
https://theintercept.com/2023/05/10/...n-raccoon-dog/
You always fall for the conspiracies. Must make for fun times with your family and friends.
The COVID lab-leak claim isn’t just an attack on science, but a threat to public health
https://itemlive.com/2024/08/16/the-...public-health/
YOU PUSHED THE RACCOON DOG THEORY
The vaccine made the symptoms much less severe AND shortened the time once infected to be greatly reduced so infecting someone else was reduced you dumb .
It was incredibly successful.
It makes more sense than it magically produced in a lab in China.YOU PUSHED THE RACCOON DOG THEORY
The virus WAS already present before any of these infections caused the disease we now know as Covid.
"Oh no. Nature could not have possible produced a virus via natural selection causing evolution, thats not how it works!"
This is looking at 2023-2024 you dumb .
I’d forgotten how ignorant you were concerning this thanks for the reminder.
Explain yourself.
You dont know what you are talking about.
Tell us about China and the virus again.
Do it.
Great.
Its not the same virus.
There are a number of variants now and none are as severe respiratory system wise. Long term effects still to be determined.
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