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Passing on Cody (and to a lesser extent Matas) still bothers me a little bit but nothing 2 bites at a Top 14 pick in 2025 wont cure.
Same tbhill be honest, i liked the zollins extension at the time... guess i fell for the mirage after the poodle trade
Passing on Cody (and to a lesser extent Matas) still bothers me a little bit but nothing 2 bites at a Top 14 pick in 2025 wont cure.
there are probably clowns on the Thunder forum whining about Presti picking Payne, Ferguson and Giddy instead of Franz
also trading Quickley, Sengun, and Lively
and there are definitely smart guys on the Celtics forum complaining every day about drafting Hunter, Yabusele, Zizic, Langford and signing Hayward
The scariest possibility, IMO, is that Sochan has a season where he shows flashes but is still inconsistent enough to raise question marks and it the Spurs get suckered into overpaying him based on those flashes that turn out to be fool’s gold.Man, that Sochan extension is gonna be terrifying tbh
We really need Sochan to take a big step forward this year, or have it be obvious that he’s just going to be a marginal role player in this league. That way the Spurs will have clarity and vision going into extension talks. Because if there isn’t clarity, it can really go sideways if the Spurs guess the wrong way.
As questionable as drafting has been, they did well with either extending draftees or cutting them loose.
Both Keldon and Devin accepted team-friendly deals. Same goes for Tre.
If Jeremy is smart he'll understand getting less money to stay on the roster with the best player in the league is way better than going to another bad team because players like him don't excel on bad teams.
I don’t disagree, but I also think that Jeremy has more question marks around his future path than any of those. DJM’s extension was probably the one that was the biggest gamble at the time due to injury, but White, Devin and Keldon had all pretty much made it clear who they were by the time their extensions rolled around, same with Tre. Along those lines, Lonnie had also made it quite evident that he wasn’t worthy of a big extension.
Jeremy’s path is a lot less clear, but he has time to remedy that and I hope he does… because I’m not sure I trust this FO to gamble the right direction based on how they handled the Zollins extension.
Jalen Johnson's first two years were arguably worse than Sochans, and now everyone here is knob slobbering JJ. A similar jump by Jeremy will be met here with skepticism and doubt, because posters here only like other team’s young players, not ours.
Jalen Johnson’s first two years were A LOT worse than Sochan’s, but are also completely irrelevant to Sochan.
I’m rooting we see the kind of jump JJ took in his year 3 with Sochan. That would be awesome, and will make it really easy to pinpoint an extension value for Jeremy. Likewise, if Jeremy just puts in a year 3 that is a lot like Year 1 and 2, then it should be fairly easy to dial in an extension for him as well (I’d say 4/60 - 4/80) would be the range.
Those two scenarios are not the ones I’m concerned about. I’m more concerned about a fool’s gold season from Jeremy that causes us to give him 4/120 and then he reverts back to being a 4/60 player.
Obviously, I want Jeremy to take a big leap and be awesome as that is the ideal scenario. But one way or another, I just want Jeremy to have the kind of season that provides clarity (or we wait until after year 4 for an extension). He’s been a bit of an enigma, which provides some excitement about the possibilities of what kind of player he might be, but also is the kind of thing that can result in bad contracts.
Not bad for a 20th pick. B-bbbut he’s not Spurs material
He wasn’t a lot of other teams material, either. You act like the Spurs were the only team giving his group side eye for 4 high schools and 13 games at Duke before quitting. He was a top 5 talent in that draft who dropped like a rock from never committing anywhere. ing tumble weed.Not bad for a 20th pick. B-bbbut he’s not Spurs material
Whatever one's opinion on Collins' contract might be - he will be an expiring next season, and it's not like the Spurs are trying to win right now anyway. In all likelihood, it will turn out an overpay, but it won't matter much in the grander scheme of things.
Is still cant adapt to players like Sochan getting 125/5 and this is considered as teamfriendly deal.Man, that Sochan extension is gonna be terrifying tbh
The type of leap Sochan makes (if he makes one) will be subtle, especially since he’s not featured on offense. Honestly, I’d be satisfied if he made an All Defense team. That would be a huge leap for me. I don’t need to see 20/9 or anything like that. Pay him well if he makes an All Defense team, tbh.
Yes but Spurs were good with spotting talents not too obvious to everyone before with their interviews, etc. It seems they’ve relied heavily on the performance at the Combine ( Primo, Samanic, Weiskamp). A more in-depth interview with the guy would’ve probably showed this guy’s character, not like just go with what everybody thinks. Just saying.. our scouts have not been that impressive lately to say the least
I've always seen Sochan's ceiling as an impactful Draymond/Kirilenko type player. He doesn't need to average 20 or even 17ppg, but if he's playing great versatile defense and putting up something like 14/7/4 while being a net positive, I'd be very happy. That would kind of make him the Derrick White of NBA Forwards.
Criticizing the Primo pick primarily because of character aspects is not the angle I would choose, to be honest.
I agree. Sochan’s leap doesn’t need to be in scoring, but it should be apparent in how he impacts the team game. I’m just afraid of a 4/120 extension based on “we like his potential”
I think it’s important to recognize that whether Collins’ extension “mattered” and whether or not it was a good extension are two different things.
In the end, giving Collins that extension may not have changed anything one way or another (though there may be an argument that his contract made it so that didn’t want to use the #8 pick because we thought we needed that money to get CP3), but we still probably shouldn’t want to be in the habit of giving out bad contracts.
Oh, I agree with that. At the time of the extension, I thought something like "a bit of an overpay probably, but understandable given the nice flashes he has shown and besides, they need to reach the salary floor anyway". Right now, things look quite a bit different, obviously, as far as Collins' worth as an asset beside being a contract is concerned.
I really, really hope that PATFO didn't punt on the #8 pick mainly because of possible cap concerns that would have made signing Chris Paul difficult or impossible. I definitely wouldn't rule that out, though.
Welcome to the jungle…. Be careful, the fools bite!Criticizing the Primo pick primarily because of character aspects is not the angle I would choose, to be honest.
They could have signed Paul with or without #8 on the books. They could NOT have made the trade with Sacto with #8 on the books. The Sacto trade was an opportunity presented by the #8 trade, and added another unprotected swap to the pile for that trade.
I can’t see the market very lucrative for Sochan. 3yr/60mm at most or let him walk and tbh that is with him actually making a leap.
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Sochan is one of those players who could be very useful on a good team, but the spurs are a few years away from it. He’s not the type who would give you 5 or 10 wins by carrying the team on his back, but the type who does those little things that turns a good team into a great team.
His prototype isn’t really common either which makes hard to determine on the price tag. He’s like a Derrick white in that regard where white will never take a team to the playoffs being the main man, but will turn a good team into a contender but putting in that extra dimension that makes everything flow.
Something like $20-$25m a year for three to four years would sound fair.
Of course, if he somehow suddenly attain new skills that allows him to create shots for himself and teammates, can finish at all all star level and nail three pointers like klay Thompson then he’d be all nba, but I’m not counting on that
Tristan Thompson is a better comp.Sochan is one of those players who could be very useful on a good team, but the spurs are a few years away from it. He’s not the type who would give you 5 or 10 wins by carrying the team on his back, but the type who does those little things that turns a good team into a great team.
His prototype isn’t really common either which makes hard to determine on the price tag. He’s like a Derrick white in that regard where white will never take a team to the playoffs being the main man, but will turn a good team into a contender but putting in that extra dimension that makes everything flow.
Something like $20-$25m a year for three to four years would sound fair.
Of course, if he somehow suddenly attain new skills that allows him to create shots for himself and teammates, can finish at all all star level and nail three pointers like klay Thompson then he’d be all nba, but I’m not counting on that
The Spurs have done a good job not overpaying on rookie extensions recently. Vassell's deal is fair, and the ones given to Keldon/White/Dejounte were team friendly if anything. They also haven't given extensions to players that don't deserve one at all like Lonnie. I trust them not overpay Sochan or Wesley or Branham when the time comes.
Sochan is still 21. Anyone who has a strong opinion on a player of this age is not Spurs material.
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